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There are a bunch of protected classes already in US law, and I believe the reasoning tends to be that the folks in those protected classes would, if not protec
by TameAntelope 6y ago
There are a bunch of protected classes already in US law, and I believe the reasoning tends to be that the folks in those protected classes would, if not protected, be trampled by the majorities for things the members of those protected classes have no control over. Some protected classes include Americans with disabilities, African-Americans, etc.
You can't fire members of the protected class, and (I believe) you can't ban folks from Twitter for being disabled or black.
Conservatives seem to want that treatment.
- luckylion 6y agoI think disability or skin-color are bad examples, religion is a better one. You can't change whether you're missing a leg (well... yet) and you can't change the color of your skin. You can (though probably not really actively) change your political convictions the same way you can change your religious beliefs.
- inglor_cz 6y agoI wonder what happens once you can get a new leg and refuse to do so. Will the protections still apply? This is not a morally clear situation; some people may refuse a cloned leg in the future because the price tag will be too high, others for religious reasons etc.
- hntrader 6y agoIt's a false dichotomy to begin with. If political belief is caused by personality traits (e.g. orderliness) and brain structure (e.g. amygdala size), is it really a choice?
- inglor_cz 6y agoTrue. I do not really feel to have much latitude in what I believe. I only have choice to pretend X or Y.
- TameAntelope 6y agoIf you're interested in improving your ability to grow and change based on feedback, that is a skill that can be worked on.
- hntrader 6y agoA conservative can shrink their amygdala in response to verbal feedback? A conservative can become low-orderliness when they've been high-orderliness since childhood? This is gay-conversion therapy territory.
- TameAntelope 6y agoI am honestly struggling to come up with a constructive response to, "People's beliefs are determined by biological factors at birth." What you seem to have said here is, on its face, so obviously wrong, it's hard to take seriously. I mean no disrespect, I just don't know how to continue engaging with you.
- hntrader 6y agoPolitical beliefs are caused by brain structure and personality traits, in an interaction with environment/identity/self-interest. You saying people can just change their political beliefs when there are scientifically known biological causes of said beliefs is akin to proponents of gay-conversion therapy. If you think personality and brain structure aren't part of the picture, then you're not aligned with current scientific knowledge - your faux outrage and strawmanning notwithstanding.
- TameAntelope 6y ago> when there are scientifically known biological causes of said beliefs This is false, at least to the degree of accuracy, potency, and certainty as you present it here. They are "part of the picture", but one small part, not the overriding majority of how people make choices about what to believe. > then you're not aligned with current scientific knowledge Yes I am. You are not. You misrepresent the degree to which the things you've mentioned impact the things you claim they impact, and I'm beginning to think it's a malicious choice to do so.
- TameAntelope 6y agoThe deaf community seems like it retains its protected class status, even when their members refuse cochlear implants.
- TameAntelope 6y agoThat does fit very well with the American conservative viewpoint, yes. What are the consequences of making that acceptable, I wonder?