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That sounds like a canned response carefully prepared by a lawyer (if indeed it's repeated word-by-word which I can't check due to Spiegel's lack of privacy opt

That sounds like a canned response carefully prepared by a lawyer (if indeed it's repeated word-by-word which I can't check due to Spiegel's lack of privacy options). I guess the privacy invasion comes in via linking to Fb and graphs of who's-messaging-whom. Wonder what the alternatives are? I'm no expert and might be completely wrong but my assessment re usual suspects goes like this: Telegram? No E2E! Signal? Ceased to update their self-hosting software! Matrix: not a really open protocol to begin with! Over ten years ago, XMPP used to work just fine (and IRC before that) so I'm just wondering why we have to reinvent the wheel all the time. Messaging isn't exactly rocket science. I won't tie my online presence to a proprietary vendor with no alternative clients and service providers since that's strictly worse than what we have today. Remember WhatsApp started like those other providers but then got acquired by Fb. So it's SMS/MMS for me I guess.

Arathorn 6y ago
Matrix is very much an open protocol. Just because the team who created it works together professionally doesn’t somehow make it less open, given we set up the Foundation to keep it neutral. (And the fact our jobs depend on it being successful acts a useful motivator not to screw it up).
MattJ100 6y ago
For the record XMPP worked 10 years ago, and continues to work today (of course it has changed a lot). If you have Android contacts then Quicksy is on the app store and an easy jump from WhatsApp, with the benefits of an open federated network. I believe iOS is planned, but in the meantime Siskin is a decent choice. There is a lot of development activity going on in XMPP across a very wide range of projects, and I'm hopeful that as people realize that all this centralization onto single providers has been a recipe for abuse of power, that open networks may gather more public interest.
tpush 6y ago
> I guess the privacy invasion comes in via linking to Fb and graphs of who's-messaging-whom. In the interview he explicitly says that they do not share phone book data with Facebook.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  ...yet

Arathorn 6y ago

Matrix is very much an open protocol. Just because the team who created it works together professionally doesn’t somehow make it less open, given we set up the Foundation to keep it neutral. (And the fact our jobs depend on it being successful acts a useful motivator not to screw it up).

MattJ100 6y ago

For the record XMPP worked 10 years ago, and continues to work today (of course it has changed a lot). If you have Android contacts then Quicksy is on the app store and an easy jump from WhatsApp, with the benefits of an open federated network. I believe iOS is planned, but in the meantime Siskin is a decent choice. There is a lot of development activity going on in XMPP across a very wide range of projects, and I'm hopeful that as people realize that all this centralization onto single providers has been a recipe for abuse of power, that open networks may gather more public interest.

tpush 6y ago

> I guess the privacy invasion comes in via linking to Fb and graphs of who's-messaging-whom. In the interview he explicitly says that they do not share phone book data with Facebook.

stjohnswarts 6y ago
...yet