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Orders of magnitude slower. Scrolling through past messages in Telegram is insanely fast. Not sure if it's Matrix or Element but there is a lot left to be desir

Orders of magnitude slower. Scrolling through past messages in Telegram is insanely fast. Not sure if it's Matrix or Element but there is a lot left to be desired there. And the longer it exists, the more it seems architectural. Not talking E2E groups. This isn't to take anything away from the Matrix folks who are doing an outstanding job.

Arathorn 6y ago
On what platform are you seeing this? Element is three different apps on iOS/Android/Web and they implement scrolling differently. There is no architectural reason in Matrix why it should be slower than TG.
- johnchristopher 6y ago
  > There is no architectural reason in Matrix why it should be slower than TG. Then why is it ?
  - smoldesu 6y ago
    Probably because the people developing these clients aren't being bankrolled by multi-million dollar companies with private interests. The previous poster was correct; Matrix is a protocol, and so your performance really comes down to whatever client you're using it with. Element is a web app, so it will inevitably be pretty slow. If you want a client that won't slow down, look into Fractal, a GTK Matrix frontend written in Rust. If that doesn't iron out your performance issues, you just have a slow machine/connection.
    - johnchristopher 6y ago
      Fractal is actually responsive, I am actually impressed. It's not bankrolled by multi-million dollar companies though and Telegram web app is way faster so something doesn't add.
- meibo 6y ago
  They are probably talking about the Matrix.org instance being slow at fetching messages for you, additionally to the delay needed to get keys for them in encrypted rooms. This is far nicer on smaller home servers, but matrix.org is the "default experience" of element and that's what people are judging it by.
anilakar 6y ago
> Scrolling through past messages Funny how you mention this - scrolling back manually is literally the only way to go to past conversations on mobile, as the search does not work with inflected languages. The only way to search for past content is to dump your whole message history on the desktop client and run grep on it.

Arathorn 6y ago

On what platform are you seeing this? Element is three different apps on iOS/Android/Web and they implement scrolling differently. There is no architectural reason in Matrix why it should be slower than TG.

johnchristopher 6y ago
> There is no architectural reason in Matrix why it should be slower than TG. Then why is it ?
- smoldesu 6y ago
  Probably because the people developing these clients aren't being bankrolled by multi-million dollar companies with private interests. The previous poster was correct; Matrix is a protocol, and so your performance really comes down to whatever client you're using it with. Element is a web app, so it will inevitably be pretty slow. If you want a client that won't slow down, look into Fractal, a GTK Matrix frontend written in Rust. If that doesn't iron out your performance issues, you just have a slow machine/connection.
  - johnchristopher 6y ago
    Fractal is actually responsive, I am actually impressed. It's not bankrolled by multi-million dollar companies though and Telegram web app is way faster so something doesn't add.
meibo 6y ago
They are probably talking about the Matrix.org instance being slow at fetching messages for you, additionally to the delay needed to get keys for them in encrypted rooms. This is far nicer on smaller home servers, but matrix.org is the "default experience" of element and that's what people are judging it by.

anilakar 6y ago

> Scrolling through past messages Funny how you mention this - scrolling back manually is literally the only way to go to past conversations on mobile, as the search does not work with inflected languages. The only way to search for past content is to dump your whole message history on the desktop client and run grep on it.