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Come on. The world isn't divided into people who agree with you and psychopaths. That's such a juvenile and unhealthy way of looking at the world. People who op

Come on. The world isn't divided into people who agree with you and psychopaths. That's such a juvenile and unhealthy way of looking at the world. People who oppose UBI generally worry about cost (which they feel they will pay) and the potential for shifting incentives to result in a worse society - they have just much as empathy as you, they are just empathizing with different people (the lower and middle class paying for the UBI instead of the underclass receiving it) or envisioning different outcomes.

deanCommie 6y ago
I don't believe that. Here's why. EVERYONE is/should be worried about the cost of UBI. I'm as progressive as they come, but I worry about it too. The reason is there is no one simple answer for how it will be paid, and so until we come to a position of actual debate on the details of the implementation it's not certain how it will be funded. The difference then is in motivations. Are you motivated to make UBI work or aren't you? Those that are believe that fundamentally, our society must be able to bear it. We know we have the total wealth generated to support it, sot he rest is an implementation detail. If you prioritize it as a key aspect of a successful human-orientated society, it is achievable. The people that are against UBI are not psychopaths. But they ultimately do not believe in the idea and use costs and other such concerns to justify not moving towards that direction. The reasons why they don't support it can be diverse, but mostly it comes down to a lack of empathy for others. They truly feel that others do not deserve help or support, and base the rest of their beliefs around it.
- will4274 6y ago
  I'm motivated to make the world better, not to support any particular policy. If UBI is a good policy, I'm motivated to make it work. If UBI isn't a good policy (e.g. if the expenses or changing incentives would cripple society), I'm not. I think if you reread your post closely, you would see the circular reasoning. You've assumed that UBI is a policy with positive outcomes, as part of your argument for why folks should support UBI. That's "begging the question" (the classical meaning of it).

deanCommie 6y ago

I don't believe that. Here's why. EVERYONE is/should be worried about the cost of UBI. I'm as progressive as they come, but I worry about it too. The reason is there is no one simple answer for how it will be paid, and so until we come to a position of actual debate on the details of the implementation it's not certain how it will be funded. The difference then is in motivations. Are you motivated to make UBI work or aren't you? Those that are believe that fundamentally, our society must be able to bear it. We know we have the total wealth generated to support it, sot he rest is an implementation detail. If you prioritize it as a key aspect of a successful human-orientated society, it is achievable. The people that are against UBI are not psychopaths. But they ultimately do not believe in the idea and use costs and other such concerns to justify not moving towards that direction. The reasons why they don't support it can be diverse, but mostly it comes down to a lack of empathy for others. They truly feel that others do not deserve help or support, and base the rest of their beliefs around it.

will4274 6y ago
I'm motivated to make the world better, not to support any particular policy. If UBI is a good policy, I'm motivated to make it work. If UBI isn't a good policy (e.g. if the expenses or changing incentives would cripple society), I'm not. I think if you reread your post closely, you would see the circular reasoning. You've assumed that UBI is a policy with positive outcomes, as part of your argument for why folks should support UBI. That's "begging the question" (the classical meaning of it).