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> The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. I mean, they are not completely wrong.

by xedeon 6y ago

> The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself. I mean, they are not completely wrong. Although not perfect. FSD Beta is still pretty impressive. There's no denying that: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9nwpjgtt4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9nwpjgtt4 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pfabe-gxgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pfabe-gxgQ

Someone1234 6y ago
Their video is from 2016, yours is from the last six months. "FSD Beta," which incidentally they told CA DMV was emphatically not full self-driving[0], hasn't been around for the vast majority of time that that video has been online so using it as an excuse is disingenuous. Plus Tesla's own words in their emails disprove this anyway. [0] https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-tesla-robotaxi--fsd-emails/ https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-te...
- xedeon 6y ago
  I suggest you research who is behind the site you just linked and what their agenda is. The videos that I linked are also from Dec 2020 and Feb 2021 respectively. Not from "from the last six months". Here's one from 5 days ago (Mar 8, 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zafOEZrKZ1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zafOEZrKZ1c
  - Someone1234 6y ago
    > I suggest you research who is behind the site you just linked and what their agenda is. I linked to a raw PDF inside a viewer containing Tesla/CA DMV's emails directly from a FOIA request-response. Are you claiming the site forged these emails? > The videos that I linked are also from Dec 2020 and Feb 2021 respectively. Not from "from the last six months". That's literally within the last six months..? Pointing out that they're even newer only strengthens my case that comparing them to a 2016 video is disingenuous.
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    You should re-read the comment you are responding to. Dec 2020 and Feb 2021 and March 2021 are all “from [within] the last six months”. I added a word to make it more clear, but it was obvious the intent GP had.
- xedeon 6y ago
  > FSD Beta," which incidentally they told CA DMV was emphatically not full self-driving[0] Have you read the actual definition of what constitutes as an autonomous mode/autonomous vehicles. As defined by California law? From CA SB-1298 [1]: 38750. (a) For purposes of this division, the following definitions apply: (1) “Autonomous technology” means technology that has the capability to drive a vehicle without the active physical control or monitoring by a human operator. Autopilot and FSD Beta requires a human to supervise it. In fact, it requires you to respond to the prompts and will actually disable itself for the rest of the drive if you keep ignoring it. Here is Tesla's response to the CA DMV's query: "Currently neither Autopilot nor FSD Capability is an autonomous system, and currently no comprising feature, whether singularly or collectively, is autonomous or makes our vehicles autonomous." From what I can interpret. It doesn't fit CA DMV's own definition. Making Tesla's statement factually correct. If you don't think that's the case. How so? I'm curious how you see it differently. [1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120SB1298 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

by xedeon 6y ago

Someone1234 6y ago

Their video is from 2016, yours is from the last six months. "FSD Beta," which incidentally they told CA DMV was emphatically not full self-driving[0], hasn't been around for the vast majority of time that that video has been online so using it as an excuse is disingenuous. Plus Tesla's own words in their emails disprove this anyway. [0] https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-tesla-robotaxi--fsd-emails/ https://www.plainsite.org/documents/242a2g/california-dmv-te...

xedeon 6y ago
I suggest you research who is behind the site you just linked and what their agenda is. The videos that I linked are also from Dec 2020 and Feb 2021 respectively. Not from "from the last six months". Here's one from 5 days ago (Mar 8, 2021): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zafOEZrKZ1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zafOEZrKZ1c
- Someone1234 6y ago
  > I suggest you research who is behind the site you just linked and what their agenda is. I linked to a raw PDF inside a viewer containing Tesla/CA DMV's emails directly from a FOIA request-response. Are you claiming the site forged these emails? > The videos that I linked are also from Dec 2020 and Feb 2021 respectively. Not from "from the last six months". That's literally within the last six months..? Pointing out that they're even newer only strengthens my case that comparing them to a 2016 video is disingenuous.
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  You should re-read the comment you are responding to. Dec 2020 and Feb 2021 and March 2021 are all “from [within] the last six months”. I added a word to make it more clear, but it was obvious the intent GP had.
xedeon 6y ago
> FSD Beta," which incidentally they told CA DMV was emphatically not full self-driving[0] Have you read the actual definition of what constitutes as an autonomous mode/autonomous vehicles. As defined by California law? From CA SB-1298 [1]: 38750. (a) For purposes of this division, the following definitions apply: (1) “Autonomous technology” means technology that has the capability to drive a vehicle without the active physical control or monitoring by a human operator. Autopilot and FSD Beta requires a human to supervise it. In fact, it requires you to respond to the prompts and will actually disable itself for the rest of the drive if you keep ignoring it. Here is Tesla's response to the CA DMV's query: "Currently neither Autopilot nor FSD Capability is an autonomous system, and currently no comprising feature, whether singularly or collectively, is autonomous or makes our vehicles autonomous." From what I can interpret. It doesn't fit CA DMV's own definition. Making Tesla's statement factually correct. If you don't think that's the case. How so? I'm curious how you see it differently. [1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201120120SB1298 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...