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> Determination is more important then anything. No, it's really not. If what you were saying was true, everyone who wanted to be a financially successful arti
by yowlingcat 6y ago
> Determination is more important then anything.
No, it's really not. If what you were saying was true, everyone who wanted to be a financially successful artist would be. The truth is there are such things as supply, demand, process, practice, mastery and logistics. To over-anthropomorphize these things based on "determination" is naive and hyperbolic. The truth is that consistency matters a lot more.
I stopped listening to people like you who think there's anything wrong with thinking the world is stacked against me, and especially for minorities and women. I stopped listening to people like you, who think we need encouragement, not horror stories. I used to listen to folks like you, but then I stopped. Instead, I listened to those horror stories. Shrank not away from them, held space for them and held fidelity to reality first and foremost.
And once I focused on the realism, I began to see things clearly. A lot more clearly than you. That's when my career began to take off and I began to make better art. Isn't that odd?
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The problem is that to you, the youth are vehicle for your own hopes and aspirations. You don't stop and consider what they think from behind their own two eyes, you project your own parochial assumptions unto them. You forget that once upon a time, you were their age, and you would have found it patronizing to be treated with kid gloves. You don't treat them as equals. You treat them like a pet dog. I think that's wrong. Young people these days are a lot more capable than you think. And they face a really challenging world. It's immensely disrespectful to not treat them as equals, to presume they need "encouragement" -- let me ask you this, have you asked them what they need? Maybe you would be surprised.
I don't treat any of my friends or colleagues with kid gloves, certainly not the ones younger than me. They tell me about the state of the world and how unfair it is, and I listen. I ask them what /they/ need. Some of them need encouragement, but that's rarer than you'd think. Most of them want information. They want experience. Strategies. They want to be challenged, motivated, given interesting threads to explore and follow, collaborated with. They want to know what I did when I was in their shoes and went through the same pains, even if it's not exactly the same thing. Sometimes they want to work together on something cool so they can see how I operate. Maybe they just want an ear to listen to.
But they don't want to be condescended to, or patronizingly told that their problem is that they think the world is stacked against them when they need to think happy thoughts. And of course they wouldn't want that -- because to be told that is something that serves the person doing the telling, not the person who is listening.
So if you're saying anything like this to young people, I think you need to take a long hard look in the mirror. You are out of touch.
- quelsolaar 6y ago> No, it's really not. If what you were saying was true, everyone who wanted to be a financially successful artist would be. You got it wrong. Determination does not at all equal success. It equals the possibility of success. If you dont decide to try to be an artist, you wont be an artist, garanteed. If you give up because you think its hard, then your attitude have made you fail, not some external force. I'm not treating anyone with kids gloves, I'm sayng: Quit focusing on how the world is unfair, and try to make the changes you want to make. I am, and so have the people who made the world the way it is.
- yowlingcat 6y ago> You got it wrong. Determination does not at all equal success. It equals the possibility of success. If you dont decide to try to be an artist, you wont be an artist, garanteed Not only are you wrong, but you're completely ignoring the experience I just told you about. Why would you do that, unless you cared more about feeling that you're right than actually seeing what reality is? The experience I just stated is pretty common with all of my musician friends, which proves my point -- not only are you tonedeaf, patronizing, and treating people with kids gloves on, but you're just plain wrong, and you don't even care that you're wrong. As I told you, I actually decided that I no longer wanted to try and be an artist. I gave up. And it's precisely when I gave up that something deep inside me began to form. Over time, some deep, subconscious force began to build, to push out of me an extraordinary compulsion to create. I didn't even want it to; I felt that I didn't have the determination to do it and so I wouldn't be an artist -- and that was "guaranteed" as you (and much of society) seem to imply -- but that's BS. It turns out that what made me an artist had absolutely nothing to do with determination, and everything to do with my journey as a dynamic, evolving human being. Someone who goes through setbacks, someone who gives up, someone who is imperfect, someone who struggles. But fundamentally, someone is honest about reality, who doesn't varnish it -- not to themselves, not to others. Paradoxically, by giving up and yielding, I gave my internal narrative and creative mental ground the time and space to lay fallow and become fertile to create actually great art. This is what you miss in your rush to focus on determination. You miss the exact mechanism by which artists are formed. You oversimplify it into an extremely facile sense of cause and effect, and in doing so, you completely miss the forest for the trees. You have proved my point.