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This article fills a gap in my vocabulary for someone who shares some traits associated with ASD but doesn't suffer from any negative effects, i.e. is not in th

This article fills a gap in my vocabulary for someone who shares some traits associated with ASD but doesn't suffer from any negative effects, i.e. is not in the scope of the medical autistic spectrum. The word is systemizing or being systematic. Autistic spectrum disorders then manifest in systemizing behaviour, but that doesn't mean only people with autism are systematic.

skissane 6y ago
> This article fills a gap in my vocabulary for someone who shares some traits associated with ASD but doesn't suffer from any negative effects, i.e. is not in the scope of the medical autistic spectrum Another phrase you could add to your vocabulary to describe that is "broad autism phenotype" (BAP). People with BAP have significantly more autistic traits than the average person does, but not to the extent that a diagnosis of ASD is warranted. BAP is very common in two groups of people (i) close blood relatives of people with ASD (parents, unaffected siblings, etc); (ii) people in STEM professions. (Of course, those two groups are overlapping–ASD is more common in children of STEM professionals than in the general population) The term "systematising" is specifically associated with Simon Baron-Cohen's theories of the nature and causes of ASD, which are controversial. By contrast, the term "BAP" is much more neutral, it doesn't presume any particular theory about what ASD is or where it comes from.
- jozvolskyef 6y ago
  Thank you, that is an interesting insight. Personally I don't find the Empathising–systemising theory convincing, it seems as a false dichotomy to me. On the other hand I just remembered that my father's use of the word systematic in the above sense predates this theory because that's how he happened to describe me when I was a child.
- majjgepolja 6y ago
  TIL. Is BAP comorbid with ADD too?
  - skissane 6y ago
    That's a very interesting question. BAP is a subclinical condition. I'm not sure whether you can, strictly speaking, have a subclinical condition in conjunction with a clinical condition–how do you know that the features of the subclinical condition aren't actually symptoms of the clinical condition? (And the word "comorbid" maybe doesn't quite fit–does a subclinical condition really fit under the definition of "morbid"?) ADHD and ASD have a lot of overlap. A significant minority of individuals with ADHD (20-30%) have a substantial degree of autistic traits. Many of that 20-30% would have enough for a comorbid ASD diagnosis, but not all of them. If you zero in on the individuals with ADHD who have substantial autistic traits but not quite enough to justify the comorbid diagnosis of ASD – do you say those individuals have ADHD with BAP? Or do you say that they just have ADHD, and that the varied symptoms of ADHD can sometimes include autistic traits?
robbiep 6y ago
The term as used by Robert Trivers (evolutionary psychologist) is ‘Strong Systemiser’

skissane 6y ago

> This article fills a gap in my vocabulary for someone who shares some traits associated with ASD but doesn't suffer from any negative effects, i.e. is not in the scope of the medical autistic spectrum Another phrase you could add to your vocabulary to describe that is "broad autism phenotype" (BAP). People with BAP have significantly more autistic traits than the average person does, but not to the extent that a diagnosis of ASD is warranted. BAP is very common in two groups of people (i) close blood relatives of people with ASD (parents, unaffected siblings, etc); (ii) people in STEM professions. (Of course, those two groups are overlapping–ASD is more common in children of STEM professionals than in the general population) The term "systematising" is specifically associated with Simon Baron-Cohen's theories of the nature and causes of ASD, which are controversial. By contrast, the term "BAP" is much more neutral, it doesn't presume any particular theory about what ASD is or where it comes from.

jozvolskyef 6y ago
Thank you, that is an interesting insight. Personally I don't find the Empathising–systemising theory convincing, it seems as a false dichotomy to me. On the other hand I just remembered that my father's use of the word systematic in the above sense predates this theory because that's how he happened to describe me when I was a child.
majjgepolja 6y ago
TIL. Is BAP comorbid with ADD too?
- skissane 6y ago
  That's a very interesting question. BAP is a subclinical condition. I'm not sure whether you can, strictly speaking, have a subclinical condition in conjunction with a clinical condition–how do you know that the features of the subclinical condition aren't actually symptoms of the clinical condition? (And the word "comorbid" maybe doesn't quite fit–does a subclinical condition really fit under the definition of "morbid"?) ADHD and ASD have a lot of overlap. A significant minority of individuals with ADHD (20-30%) have a substantial degree of autistic traits. Many of that 20-30% would have enough for a comorbid ASD diagnosis, but not all of them. If you zero in on the individuals with ADHD who have substantial autistic traits but not quite enough to justify the comorbid diagnosis of ASD – do you say those individuals have ADHD with BAP? Or do you say that they just have ADHD, and that the varied symptoms of ADHD can sometimes include autistic traits?

robbiep 6y ago

The term as used by Robert Trivers (evolutionary psychologist) is ‘Strong Systemiser’