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I like Tesla, but... good. Having worked in the autonomous industry and seeing "how the sausage is really made" is scary as fuck. One thing to keep in mind, is

I like Tesla, but... good. Having worked in the autonomous industry and seeing "how the sausage is really made" is scary as fuck. One thing to keep in mind, is thats its not just the feds, as you will notice testing is done in certain states that have less regulation (read: governors hands got greased) Ill leave you with one insight into the sausage factory to contemplate. I told a c-level we needed a code review, and he balked, saying something to the effect of "Do you know how much that costs, how long it takes, and how hard it is?! No" This company has vehicles on public roads already!...

xnx 6y ago
From what I've read there's Waymo and then there's everybody else.
andrekandre 6y ago
"Do you know how much that costs, how long it takes, and how hard it is?! No" This company has vehicles on public roads already!... this is why imo "just let the market figure it out" is not always the answer to every problem...
- nyx_ 6y ago
  You statists are so silly. Obviously, we simply need to wait until the vehicles have killed several thousand people. Demand will decrease until it's no longer profitable for the manufacturer to operate. Another public health crisis solved by the invisible hand.
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    Sounds more like Adam Smith’s invisible finger
- WalterBright 6y ago
  NASA has crashes, too.
  - dathos 6y ago
    Boeing does as well, and is that not partially to blame to weak regulations? (or regulators not doing their job)
    - WalterBright 6y ago
      Implicit from blaming the market is the presumption that socialism does better.
baybal2 6y ago
You don't need to know the how sausages are made to know that double digit of "AI industry" is complete fraud. Safe "AI" driving is in principle unsolvable. Blow the whistle.
Shivetya 6y ago
Well as an owner (model 3) the general understanding is that you watch over the car when it is driving. Basically you back seat driver your high school kid. The car is decidedly paranoid when on full autopilot to the point of overly cautious at times. It certainly won't let you have your hands off the wheel nor with a light touch suffice. I tried timing the systems "apply light pressure" warnings interval but its very random and definitely more aggressive when on a curve as its very easy then for it to recognize you aren't holding the wheel. There are warnings when you use autopilot that flat out say you have to pay attention and demands are constant that you show you are by causing real resistance on the steering wheel. On anything but freeways it won't even go over five miles over the speed limit. Straight cruise control does not have that limit but once AP is engaged you are restricted to +5. It will slow down automatically for detected speed limit signs with a lower speed but not auto increase for higher limits. It will not go through a green light unless car in front does first without you indicating its safe. Now interestingly enough Tesla has kicked people out of beta of the newest software for not paying enough attention to the car either through use of the inside camera; the beta uses it; and steering wheel resistance. So perhaps if you fail enough maybe the car should say you don't pay enough attention to use the feature and must wait 24 to 48 hours before you try again and then be overly strict on driver detection? It certainly is not perfect, current general availability version, but it is amazing for what it can do especially at night or poor weather.
- jiofih 6y ago
  I was under the impression the car already does restrict access to AP if you failed to provide input, locking you out for 24+ hours.
  - URSpider94 6y ago
    It locks you out until you pull over, put the car in park, and put it back in gear. So, maybe five minutes if you’re between exits on the freeway.

xnx 6y ago

From what I've read there's Waymo and then there's everybody else.

andrekandre 6y ago

"Do you know how much that costs, how long it takes, and how hard it is?! No" This company has vehicles on public roads already!... this is why imo "just let the market figure it out" is not always the answer to every problem...

nyx_ 6y ago
You statists are so silly. Obviously, we simply need to wait until the vehicles have killed several thousand people. Demand will decrease until it's no longer profitable for the manufacturer to operate. Another public health crisis solved by the invisible hand.
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Sounds more like Adam Smith’s invisible finger
WalterBright 6y ago
NASA has crashes, too.
- dathos 6y ago
  Boeing does as well, and is that not partially to blame to weak regulations? (or regulators not doing their job)
  - WalterBright 6y ago
    Implicit from blaming the market is the presumption that socialism does better.

baybal2 6y ago

You don't need to know the how sausages are made to know that double digit of "AI industry" is complete fraud. Safe "AI" driving is in principle unsolvable. Blow the whistle.

Shivetya 6y ago

Well as an owner (model 3) the general understanding is that you watch over the car when it is driving. Basically you back seat driver your high school kid. The car is decidedly paranoid when on full autopilot to the point of overly cautious at times. It certainly won't let you have your hands off the wheel nor with a light touch suffice. I tried timing the systems "apply light pressure" warnings interval but its very random and definitely more aggressive when on a curve as its very easy then for it to recognize you aren't holding the wheel. There are warnings when you use autopilot that flat out say you have to pay attention and demands are constant that you show you are by causing real resistance on the steering wheel. On anything but freeways it won't even go over five miles over the speed limit. Straight cruise control does not have that limit but once AP is engaged you are restricted to +5. It will slow down automatically for detected speed limit signs with a lower speed but not auto increase for higher limits. It will not go through a green light unless car in front does first without you indicating its safe. Now interestingly enough Tesla has kicked people out of beta of the newest software for not paying enough attention to the car either through use of the inside camera; the beta uses it; and steering wheel resistance. So perhaps if you fail enough maybe the car should say you don't pay enough attention to use the feature and must wait 24 to 48 hours before you try again and then be overly strict on driver detection? It certainly is not perfect, current general availability version, but it is amazing for what it can do especially at night or poor weather.

jiofih 6y ago
I was under the impression the car already does restrict access to AP if you failed to provide input, locking you out for 24+ hours.
- URSpider94 6y ago
  It locks you out until you pull over, put the car in park, and put it back in gear. So, maybe five minutes if you’re between exits on the freeway.