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The US does not have a track record that gives them the right to "enforce civil rights" in South America either, yet you don't fault their interference. And if

The US does not have a track record that gives them the right to "enforce civil rights" in South America either, yet you don't fault their interference. And if you don't object to it as FDR technically broke no law why do you object to what either Morales or Putin did?

foolmeonce 6y ago
> FDR technically broke no law In the same sense that this comment technically broke no law. There was no law to break. You keep coming back to whataboutism. Any leader who disables a check like term limits is a worse eventual problem than the urgent aspects of any environment. The will to ignore that threat and focus on external threats is a social flaw they are well aware of. Show me a leader who did that and then stepped down without an external force? I don't think the CIA or Morales got what they wanted from the 2020 election, I think the people of Bolivia got the best outcome which is usually blocked in representative democracies. I.e. in 2019 you couldn't vote socialist without voting against term limits, which I think left you to pick your cancer: leftist dictator track Morales today or CIA friendly right wing looking to establish a dictatorship tomorrow.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  >You keep coming back to whataboutism Yeah, I'd say that started with the ridiculous genocide comment. All my comments about how overthrowing an elected president is not supporting democracy have been ignored. >Show me a leader who did that and then stepped down without an external force? Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Álvaro Uribe, Nawaz Sharif(external force debatable), Carlos Menem. >in 2019 you couldn't vote socialist without voting against term limits, which I think left you to pick your cancer: leftist dictator track Morales today or CIA friendly right wing looking to establish a dictatorship tomorrow There was nothing stopping another leftist from running, and calling his opponent CIA backed isn't fair as the coup did not result in him coming to power. >I think the people of Bolivia got the best outcome which is usually blocked in representative democracies. What you think is the best outcome is meaningless, they voted for Morales and they should be in charge of their government. Why should your opinion matter at all?
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't get into flamewars on HN, especially not political or ideological flamewars, and especially not tit-for-tat spats. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't get into flamewars on HN, especially not political or ideological flamewars, and especially not tit-for-tat spats. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

foolmeonce 6y ago

> FDR technically broke no law In the same sense that this comment technically broke no law. There was no law to break. You keep coming back to whataboutism. Any leader who disables a check like term limits is a worse eventual problem than the urgent aspects of any environment. The will to ignore that threat and focus on external threats is a social flaw they are well aware of. Show me a leader who did that and then stepped down without an external force? I don't think the CIA or Morales got what they wanted from the 2020 election, I think the people of Bolivia got the best outcome which is usually blocked in representative democracies. I.e. in 2019 you couldn't vote socialist without voting against term limits, which I think left you to pick your cancer: leftist dictator track Morales today or CIA friendly right wing looking to establish a dictatorship tomorrow.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
>You keep coming back to whataboutism Yeah, I'd say that started with the ridiculous genocide comment. All my comments about how overthrowing an elected president is not supporting democracy have been ignored. >Show me a leader who did that and then stepped down without an external force? Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Álvaro Uribe, Nawaz Sharif(external force debatable), Carlos Menem. >in 2019 you couldn't vote socialist without voting against term limits, which I think left you to pick your cancer: leftist dictator track Morales today or CIA friendly right wing looking to establish a dictatorship tomorrow There was nothing stopping another leftist from running, and calling his opponent CIA backed isn't fair as the coup did not result in him coming to power. >I think the people of Bolivia got the best outcome which is usually blocked in representative democracies. What you think is the best outcome is meaningless, they voted for Morales and they should be in charge of their government. Why should your opinion matter at all?
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't get into flamewars on HN, especially not political or ideological flamewars, and especially not tit-for-tat spats. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 6y ago
Please don't get into flamewars on HN, especially not political or ideological flamewars, and especially not tit-for-tat spats. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html