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But here is the thing. If you compare Tesla’s with some of the other higher end cars, they have a higher mortality. https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-

But here is the thing. If you compare Tesla’s with some of the other higher end cars, they have a higher mortality. https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17 https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r...

Robotbeat 6y ago
Tesla isn't selling exclusively in the luxury market. If you want a high performance or road-trip capable electric car, you basically have just one option. So you should compare against overall cars, not just "high end" luxury cars. Being electric has made them more expensive, but they're not really true luxury cars for the most part and are not driven by the same people or under the same conditions or under the same driving style as luxury cars.
- worik 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currentl... Tesla is right up there but there are many snapping at its heels, especially from China. I am hoping my next car will be a Chinese electric sports car. But, unlike a Tesla, one I own.
- Hypocritelefty 6y ago
  10k for a fraud is not high end? Where does fraud Karen finds shills like you?
- clouddrover 6y ago
  > If you want a high performance or road-trip capable electric car, you basically have just one option. Is it the Porsche Taycan? Or the Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo? Or do you mean the Audi e-tron GT? Or perhaps the Lucid Air? Or maybe the Mercedes EQS?
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    I would certainly take a taycan over any tesla, but to be fair, the taycan has a significantly worse range. I might be wrong now, but tesla was the leader in that category last I checked.
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      Paper miles don't count for much. Real world miles are a more useful comparison. The Taycan does poorly in the EPA's test but does a lot better on the road: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-taycan-range-test-tesla-model-s/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-tayca... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-porsche-taycan-epa-range-testing/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-porsche-taycan-epa-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_7fBljFzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_7fBljFzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFsjMvCFlig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFsjMvCFlig
  - jsight 6y ago
    To be fair, bringing the Lucid Air into this is like bringing the Tesla Roadster or Tri-Motor Cybertruck into it. They don't exist yet except as prototypes.
    - clouddrover 6y ago
      Release candidate stage now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM6x_jSKixg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM6x_jSKixg
      - jsight 6y ago
        Ha, I actually watched that video earlier today. I'm definitely hoping that they get this into full production, as it really does look like an exciting vehicle. We had gone a long time without any new successful car companies, and now maybe we can have two launched this century? Maybe even a few little boutique makers can make a go of it too... I really what Aptera is doing right now.
- mcguire 6y ago
  "Tesla’s mortality rate (41 deaths per million vehicle years) is so much higher than the average luxury car (13 deaths per million vehicle years) that when comparing the two, the difference is hugely statistically significant." From the IIHS: "The overall driver death rate for all 2017 and equivalent models during 2015-18 was 36 deaths per million registered vehicle years." (https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-...) Tesla's rate is the same as a Mazda 6 or Toyota Camry hybrid.
  - mr_toad 6y ago
    > Tesla’s mortality rate (41 deaths per million vehicle years) is so much higher 164 deaths, but only 6 on autopilot. While it might be safe to make statistical inference with 164 observations, no good statistician would make strong claims based on just 6. There is no evidence one way or the other for the impact of autopilot on fatalities.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > 164 deaths, but only 6 on autopilot. I'm curious to know if "autopilot cut off automatically a few seconds before" counts in the first or second category.
  - fallingknife 6y ago
    But the model 3, which is the majority of their sales, isn't a luxury car.
    - Robotbeat 6y ago
      And the Model S is really more like an electric Ford Mustang than a Bentley.
      - mcguire 6y ago
        "...[Tesla's] 41 deaths per million vehicle years...overall driver death rate for all 2017 and equivalent models...36 deaths per million registered vehicle years..."

Robotbeat 6y ago

Tesla isn't selling exclusively in the luxury market. If you want a high performance or road-trip capable electric car, you basically have just one option. So you should compare against overall cars, not just "high end" luxury cars. Being electric has made them more expensive, but they're not really true luxury cars for the most part and are not driven by the same people or under the same conditions or under the same driving style as luxury cars.

worik 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currently_available https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_cars_currentl... Tesla is right up there but there are many snapping at its heels, especially from China. I am hoping my next car will be a Chinese electric sports car. But, unlike a Tesla, one I own.
Hypocritelefty 6y ago
10k for a fraud is not high end? Where does fraud Karen finds shills like you?
clouddrover 6y ago
> If you want a high performance or road-trip capable electric car, you basically have just one option. Is it the Porsche Taycan? Or the Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo? Or do you mean the Audi e-tron GT? Or perhaps the Lucid Air? Or maybe the Mercedes EQS?
- leetcrew 6y ago
  I would certainly take a taycan over any tesla, but to be fair, the taycan has a significantly worse range. I might be wrong now, but tesla was the leader in that category last I checked.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    Paper miles don't count for much. Real world miles are a more useful comparison. The Taycan does poorly in the EPA's test but does a lot better on the road: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-taycan-range-test-tesla-model-s/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-tayca... https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-porsche-taycan-epa-range-testing/ https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/2021-porsche-taycan-epa-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_7fBljFzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_7fBljFzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFsjMvCFlig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFsjMvCFlig
- jsight 6y ago
  To be fair, bringing the Lucid Air into this is like bringing the Tesla Roadster or Tri-Motor Cybertruck into it. They don't exist yet except as prototypes.
  - clouddrover 6y ago
    Release candidate stage now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM6x_jSKixg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM6x_jSKixg
    - jsight 6y ago
      Ha, I actually watched that video earlier today. I'm definitely hoping that they get this into full production, as it really does look like an exciting vehicle. We had gone a long time without any new successful car companies, and now maybe we can have two launched this century? Maybe even a few little boutique makers can make a go of it too... I really what Aptera is doing right now.
mcguire 6y ago
"Tesla’s mortality rate (41 deaths per million vehicle years) is so much higher than the average luxury car (13 deaths per million vehicle years) that when comparing the two, the difference is hugely statistically significant." From the IIHS: "The overall driver death rate for all 2017 and equivalent models during 2015-18 was 36 deaths per million registered vehicle years." (https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-...) Tesla's rate is the same as a Mazda 6 or Toyota Camry hybrid.
- mr_toad 6y ago
  > Tesla’s mortality rate (41 deaths per million vehicle years) is so much higher 164 deaths, but only 6 on autopilot. While it might be safe to make statistical inference with 164 observations, no good statistician would make strong claims based on just 6. There is no evidence one way or the other for the impact of autopilot on fatalities.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > 164 deaths, but only 6 on autopilot. I'm curious to know if "autopilot cut off automatically a few seconds before" counts in the first or second category.
- fallingknife 6y ago
  But the model 3, which is the majority of their sales, isn't a luxury car.
  - Robotbeat 6y ago
    And the Model S is really more like an electric Ford Mustang than a Bentley.
    - mcguire 6y ago
      "...[Tesla's] 41 deaths per million vehicle years...overall driver death rate for all 2017 and equivalent models...36 deaths per million registered vehicle years..."