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A directory of handmade webpages
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agoAren’t all webpages handmade to one extent or another? Or are these webpages that don’t use frameworks like React and Angular?
- pmlnr 6y ago"handmade" in this context usually refers to writing the raw HTML yourself; no framework, no nothing.
- qznc 6y agoSo using Markdown or something similar disqualifies? Even if i write the HTML template and generator script myself?
- rzzzt 6y agoIt depends. Did you write the scripting language?
- stephenhuey 6y agoIf you look at the submission form, he excludes "website builders" which I think would exclude things like Squarespace, Wix, etc. I suppose if one of those builder tools let you use Markdown, that would not qualify, but if you are using Markdown with something like Hugo or Jekyll, that seems legitimately "handmade" to me, but I don't operate that site. :)
- nicbou 6y agoWhat about a handmade template for a CMS?
- Vrondi 6y agoBy the spirit of the thing, Markdown ought not qualify
- not_knuth 6y agoI don't think "handmade" should be taken to literally, but rather be attached the meaning as described below. In my experience there tends to be a strong correlation between a website being hand-written and the quality of the content on the website. My hypothesis is that it somehow hits the sweetspot between: - creating your own SSG and only writing mundane blogposts about how you wrote that SSG (am guilty of this) - and pumping out raw thoughts on Twitter/Wordpress/Medium/Substack etc. I think that is at least part of what this website is trying to capture.
- franklampard 6y agoadjective: hand-written written with a pen, pencil, or other handheld implement. ...?
- judge2020 6y agoAll websites are the result of a human pushing power through a cpu and sending low voltage signals to it via a keyboard, so in a way all are handmade. That's why so many are wondering what qualifies as handmaid to this site's author - site builders like Wix-created sites probably don't count but do SSGs count? What about using _any_ css framework?
- swayvil 6y agoTho it's hard to define, it's pretty easy to distinguish. I think this could be said about much of reality.
- reaperducer 6y agoadjective: hand-written written with a pen, pencil, or other handheld implement. Lately I've been writing my personal web pages on my TRS-80 Model 100. I can hold that in my hands.
- masswerk 6y agoIn my experience, markdown doesn't offer much advantage over HTML, as writing a few short tags isn't much of a burden. (Even more so, if you use the old-style `b` and `i` phrase elements, which are apparently considered ok again. Personally, I still use `strong`, etc, which may be the most annoying feature for hand-written HTML. But this can be fixed by an editor shortcut.) Otherwise, a bit of server-side scripting for adding headers and footers and providing navigation is fine, but probably already outside the specs of "entirely handmade".
- itsamoreh 6y agoHandmade in the sense that they don't use frameworks like React or Angular. Just like how technically a box cake mix cake is "homemade" but usually if someone says "homemade cake" they made it from scratch.
- mtarasevicius 6y agoCool collection, but it seems like it's just modern examples. Surprised scaruffi.com is not in this directory
- rchaud 6y agoSeems like a collection of websites that were manually submitted by their creators. Scaruffi has been online for decades, I doubt that person would be interested in submitting to a website directory.
- alexchamberlain 6y agoWhat definition of handmade does this use?
- cookingoils 6y agoHey, it's Elliott (creator of Gossip's Web, Special Fish https://special.fish https://special.fish, and other projects (https://elliott.computer https://elliott.computer). Thanks for checking out Gossips. There's a renewed interest in building websites by hand using basic but powerful tools (HTML/CSS/a little JavaScript). Gossip's is a directory of some of these sites and lets you submit your own. The submission criteria is pretty straight forward (no links to social media or website builders). Also, please don't submit your latest startup : ) . Personal websites, web experiments, and small community sites are all very welcome. The $1 submission fee goes toward running/maintaining the directory (I make about $3-5/month on submissions so it's not about the money). Happy to answer any questions the HN community might have and have a nice weekend!
- esoter 6y agoA word of warning: you’ll have to browse or crawl these pages periodically at minimum. Best case would be to diff the latest page with various IPs and user-agents against the known and then let you know when it changes. Someone will inevitably submit a page that looks good, then changes later or dynamically depending on datetime, user-agent, request IP, etc. to become malicious. Unfortunately, these are the sorts of problems that many companies have to deal with automatically (like Google) or manually that startups don’t typically. While you’re charging, if someone can get by with paying $1 for installing ransomware, they may do it. It’s a neat idea, but it’s risky. I like what you’ve done, though, and hope the artisanal webpage index pays for itself and more quickly.
- reaperducer 6y agoOr he could just take people's word that they're honest human beings. You know — default to believing that people are good, not evil. Since he's charging to be on the list, there a very low chance that he'll get flooded with bots from China, India, and Russia pushing low-quality web sites. someone can get by with paying $1 for installing ransomware, they may do it. Or some ransomware company may take over an abandoned domain that' s linked from his page. Or some ransomware company may buy one of the sites. Or some ransomware company... Nevermind. Just don't build anything ever anywhere, because of edge cases.
- lemonberry 6y agoAt least one site is created using Roam Research. Does this really qualify as handmade? https://www.rodrigofranco.com/How_is_this_website_made.html https://www.rodrigofranco.com/How_is_this_website_made.html
- cookingoils 6y agoThanks for letting me know. Some things slip through the cracks and sometimes it's pretty hard to tell when a site is actually coded by hand. I'll take a look at the submission in question.
- lemonberry 6y agoYou're welcome. I like the site in question, but it may not fit the criteria you're using.
- mproud 6y agoWhy do they all have to be so damn ugly?
- eplanit 6y agoThat's what I say about most all commercial or "mainstream" sites.
- alphabet9000 6y agoit's an interesting thought experiment to try and make sense of what it is about a website that makes it seem ugly, or not ugly. at what point does an 'ugly' web site become beautiful? is there a threshold? i'd like to see an example of a site that you feel is not ugly, not so i can be a contrarian and say 'well, i think those are ugly!' but, just to get a feel for what you believe is exemplary of beauty.
- bandie91 6y agode gustibus non est disputandum
- klyrs 6y agoSome of the best content on the internet is "ugly." And by that, I mean specifically this site: https://www.agner.org/ https://www.agner.org/
- eplanit 6y agoI really like a.slow.cab
- imagine99 6y agoYes, me too. I actually wonder how the header graphic was made? Looks very nice. Although I must admit, I have no idea what this site is supposed to be. Could be random musings from GPT-3 for all I know (even the explainer is very cryptic). But as with all art, one probably shouldn't ask too many questions :-) Edit: Found a small arrow at the bottom that does in fact lead to more content. Looks like it's from an actual person after all ;-)
- Vrondi 6y agoOnce upon a time, this would have been called "micro-blogging".
- meetapoorvgupta 6y agoLooks like it got a lot of traffic. The author seems to have removed all the links on the homepage and Google and archive.is do not seem to have it in their indices either.
- superkuh 6y ago>It costs $1 to submit. No thanks. I'll just keep my handmade websites to myself and let people find them by surfing.
- avipars 6y agowhy would it cost $1 to submit?
- oneeyedpigeon 6y ago> The $1 submission fee goes toward running/maintaining the directory (I make about $3-5/month on submissions so it's not about the money). Seems utterly reasonable to me.
- icsllaf 6y agoThere are just so many websites on this page, all of which have their own art style and their own experiments. Honestly makes me feel very small on the internet but also happy that there are so many people who do this kinda stuff.
- tomcooks 6y agoPity it costs money to submit sites，but I'm glad projects like this exist
- oneeyedpigeon 6y agoI can't imagine the fee causes any kind of practical problem, unless someone doesn't have a credit/debit card — it IS a shame it doesn't support any other payment means. I'm currently earning less than I'm paying out, and even I was happy to pay the dollar! It makes the site that much more valuable that it isn't overwhelmed by spam.
- tomcooks 6y agoI'm not judging, it's the author's choice. As I said, big up for the idea. Cheers.
- rchaud 6y agoI think a nominal fee is necessary to ward off bots. $1 to potentially get your site listed someplace where like-minded people might see it is not bad. The majority of these sites will never have enough content to rank in the top 10 for some query on search engines. And if you're not top 10, your site is essentially invisible. without some kind of old-school directory/webring structure that users can peruse, the odds of people continuing to make and share personal websites (that aren't shilling a course or product affiliate links) will dwindle to nothing. Just today, I discovered this site by pure chance: http://ratbehavior.org/PawPaintingRats.htm http://ratbehavior.org/PawPaintingRats.htm An extremely information-dense site about rats, hand-coded sometime in the '90s and last updated in 2012. A site like this to me is fascinating, but increasingly a very rare breed.
- bwh2 6y agoCool idea and I submitted my site. You've got a minor bug - on a tag page, the submit link goes to /tags/submit.
- cookingoils 6y agoThanks for letting me know. Fixed.
- CA0DA 6y agoI think https://neocities.org https://neocities.org has some of these same vibes, except neocities also has hosting.
- gchokov 6y agoHow do we create a search engine which looks into hand crafted sites only? Back to the roots!
- ehonda 6y agoyou should try wiby.org
- marijnz0r 6y agoIs it possible to pay with a different method than credit card?
- jdsleppy 6y agoI just finished a site especially for writing handmade pages: https://codasite.app https://codasite.app. Users get a Monaco code editor (think VS Code, but in the browser) and they write one HTML, one CSS, and one JS file. Hit "deploy", and you get a website. It's targeted towards people learning to code, but maybe the handmade webpage crowd would like it, too. I'd love to get some traffic and feedback. I wasn't expecting to launch today so it's still on a $5/month server. God speed, little guy.
- app4soft 6y ago> handmade webpages Here is one of such: https://www.leocad.org https://www.leocad.org Source: https://github.com/leozide/leocad/tree/gh-pages https://github.com/leozide/leocad/tree/gh-pages