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A calculated risk on the lives of others? That's a funny way to see it.

jjcon 6y ago
Life is one big calculated risk in our and others lives... have you ever driven a car? With the precautions they have set up (I think the data speaks for itself...) I’d rather a little bit of risk and have my livelihood.
- pietrovismara 6y ago
  This discussion is surreal, really. Can you see the difference between taking a risk on yourself, by your decision, or being forced to take it by decision of others?
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    every time you drive a car, you are choosing to increase the risk for others. I believe that is the point of the analogy.
  - jjcon 6y ago
    Again though... how is this any different than having to commute to work? The thresholds might be different but this is a matter of degree not principle as your inflammatory language suggest.
    - pietrovismara 6y ago
      It would be the same if, when starting my commute, I knew that today there would be a much higher risk of hurting someone with my car. But then, if my car was defective and I knew about it and caused an accident, wouldn't that be criminal behavior?
      - jjcon 6y ago
        First you made a principle argument now you are admitting it is a matter of degrees - regardless you are at risk of hurting someone with your car every time you drive. All one can do is take precautions to a reasonable degree and carry on - that is exactly what Tesla did. Nobody was forced to ‘risk their life’, those who wanted to work were allowed to do so.
      - leetcrew 6y ago
        maybe. driving around while knowing that, say, your tire lug nuts are not properly tightened would possibly be criminally negligent. but there's always stuff you could have done to make your car safer. a lot of it is stuff people know or should know. how many people do you think actually check their tire pressure at least once a month?
  - JoeyBananas 6y ago
    When you drive a car, you are taking a chance that you will cause an accident that kills another person
- Turing_Machine 6y ago
  Perhaps even more on point: A certain number of people are going to have a bad reaction to the COVID-19 vaccines and die as a result. Fortunately, this number appears to be quite low, but it's not zero. It's never zero (there are people who are born allergic to breast milk, and who can die from that). Our society has calculated that the risks involved with getting COVID-19 are higher than those involved in getting the vaccine. Therefore we are vaccinating people, even though some are guaranteed to die from that (but once again emphasizing that is going to be a whole lot fewer deaths than if we don't vaccinate). Classic calculated risk.
s9w 6y ago
let's just cease all economic activity on the planet then

Life is one big calculated risk in our and others lives... have you ever driven a car? With the precautions they have set up (I think the data speaks for itself...) I’d rather a little bit of risk and have my livelihood.

pietrovismara 6y ago
This discussion is surreal, really. Can you see the difference between taking a risk on yourself, by your decision, or being forced to take it by decision of others?
- leetcrew 6y ago
  every time you drive a car, you are choosing to increase the risk for others. I believe that is the point of the analogy.
- jjcon 6y ago
  Again though... how is this any different than having to commute to work? The thresholds might be different but this is a matter of degree not principle as your inflammatory language suggest.
  - pietrovismara 6y ago
    It would be the same if, when starting my commute, I knew that today there would be a much higher risk of hurting someone with my car. But then, if my car was defective and I knew about it and caused an accident, wouldn't that be criminal behavior?
    - jjcon 6y ago
      First you made a principle argument now you are admitting it is a matter of degrees - regardless you are at risk of hurting someone with your car every time you drive. All one can do is take precautions to a reasonable degree and carry on - that is exactly what Tesla did. Nobody was forced to ‘risk their life’, those who wanted to work were allowed to do so.
    - leetcrew 6y ago
      maybe. driving around while knowing that, say, your tire lug nuts are not properly tightened would possibly be criminally negligent. but there's always stuff you could have done to make your car safer. a lot of it is stuff people know or should know. how many people do you think actually check their tire pressure at least once a month?
- JoeyBananas 6y ago
  When you drive a car, you are taking a chance that you will cause an accident that kills another person
Turing_Machine 6y ago
Perhaps even more on point: A certain number of people are going to have a bad reaction to the COVID-19 vaccines and die as a result. Fortunately, this number appears to be quite low, but it's not zero. It's never zero (there are people who are born allergic to breast milk, and who can die from that). Our society has calculated that the risks involved with getting COVID-19 are higher than those involved in getting the vaccine. Therefore we are vaccinating people, even though some are guaranteed to die from that (but once again emphasizing that is going to be a whole lot fewer deaths than if we don't vaccinate). Classic calculated risk.

s9w 6y ago

let's just cease all economic activity on the planet then