5 ms·

Transition is the generally recognized treatment for gender dysphoria.

fock 6y ago
yes. but why is pumping bodies full of hormons and cutting them preferred to non-invasive techniques? (which may or may not work as well and which are the first "solution" to similar problems before going to the meds)
- NestedLoopGoBrr 6y ago
  Because the other options don’t work. Do even a little research instead of reposting the same question that you keep getting flagged for.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Non invasive techniques are used -- people socially transition before they get access to hormones and surgery. For some people social transition is all they need, but ofr a small group of people hormones and surgery are life saving interventions.
  - fock 6y ago
    ok, but why are we talking about a lot of kids doing this then (with the technicality of just removing the hormons and not adding them). I don't think you can judge whether social transitioning works within a month or so? Also: is there any indication that this is (in the sense that people need transition or otherwise kill themselves) is a problem in other societies than ours (or just with a bunch of apes). Because I still think that we should maybe change our society before we do hardly reversible things to people to make them fit in (very unpopular and quite influenced by conservative christianity (though I'm not affiliated))
    - DanBC 6y ago
      > but why are we talking about a lot of kids doing this then Because you've been lied to. You've been duped by hate groups, and now you're happily spreading their disinfo. > Also: is there any indication that this is (in the sense that people need transition or otherwise kill themselves) is a problem in other societies than ours (or just with a bunch of apes). Because I still think that we should maybe change our society before we do hardly reversible things to people to make them fit in (very unpopular and quite influenced by conservative christianity (though I'm not affiliated)) It's not a problem in other cultures because other cultures just let people transition. Without transition we do see increased rates of distress, including higher rates of attempted suicide and deaths by suicide.
      - fock 6y ago
        > You've been duped by hate groups, and now you're happily spreading their disinfo. ok, this is three people in a very left-wing german publication: https://www.zeit.de/2020/22/transsexualitaet-lgtbq-geschlechtswechsel-gender/komplettansicht https://www.zeit.de/2020/22/transsexualitaet-lgtbq-geschlech... - one of them states that more people are coming to him. The intro states that the number in Sweden multiplied 15-fold. I'm sorry, but I miss the hate-group disinformation aspect here? (unless, everyone not agreeing with your PoV is a hate group. Which is interesting but in the past this behaviour usually led to violent conflict...) > It's not a problem in other cultures because other cultures just let people transition. oook. So which culture except Iran (which is certainly influenced by western capitalism) does/did this? To my knowledge the typical instruments of physical transition are only available in the western capitalism influenced sphere nowadays? > Without transition we do see increased rates of distress, including higher rates of attempted suicide and deaths by suicide. So, you for sure have numbers for that. But no, that can't be, because the number of people transitioning is constant!
        DanBC 6y ago
        It's a mistake to think this is a left vs right thing. Increased numbers of people seeking treatment just means more people understand gender incongruence and are prepared to seek treatment for it.
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]

fock 6y ago

yes. but why is pumping bodies full of hormons and cutting them preferred to non-invasive techniques? (which may or may not work as well and which are the first "solution" to similar problems before going to the meds)

NestedLoopGoBrr 6y ago
Because the other options don’t work. Do even a little research instead of reposting the same question that you keep getting flagged for.
DanBC 6y ago
Non invasive techniques are used -- people socially transition before they get access to hormones and surgery. For some people social transition is all they need, but ofr a small group of people hormones and surgery are life saving interventions.
- fock 6y ago
  ok, but why are we talking about a lot of kids doing this then (with the technicality of just removing the hormons and not adding them). I don't think you can judge whether social transitioning works within a month or so? Also: is there any indication that this is (in the sense that people need transition or otherwise kill themselves) is a problem in other societies than ours (or just with a bunch of apes). Because I still think that we should maybe change our society before we do hardly reversible things to people to make them fit in (very unpopular and quite influenced by conservative christianity (though I'm not affiliated))
  - DanBC 6y ago
    > but why are we talking about a lot of kids doing this then Because you've been lied to. You've been duped by hate groups, and now you're happily spreading their disinfo. > Also: is there any indication that this is (in the sense that people need transition or otherwise kill themselves) is a problem in other societies than ours (or just with a bunch of apes). Because I still think that we should maybe change our society before we do hardly reversible things to people to make them fit in (very unpopular and quite influenced by conservative christianity (though I'm not affiliated)) It's not a problem in other cultures because other cultures just let people transition. Without transition we do see increased rates of distress, including higher rates of attempted suicide and deaths by suicide.
    - fock 6y ago
      > You've been duped by hate groups, and now you're happily spreading their disinfo. ok, this is three people in a very left-wing german publication: https://www.zeit.de/2020/22/transsexualitaet-lgtbq-geschlechtswechsel-gender/komplettansicht https://www.zeit.de/2020/22/transsexualitaet-lgtbq-geschlech... - one of them states that more people are coming to him. The intro states that the number in Sweden multiplied 15-fold. I'm sorry, but I miss the hate-group disinformation aspect here? (unless, everyone not agreeing with your PoV is a hate group. Which is interesting but in the past this behaviour usually led to violent conflict...) > It's not a problem in other cultures because other cultures just let people transition. oook. So which culture except Iran (which is certainly influenced by western capitalism) does/did this? To my knowledge the typical instruments of physical transition are only available in the western capitalism influenced sphere nowadays? > Without transition we do see increased rates of distress, including higher rates of attempted suicide and deaths by suicide. So, you for sure have numbers for that. But no, that can't be, because the number of people transitioning is constant!
      - DanBC 6y ago
        It's a mistake to think this is a left vs right thing. Increased numbers of people seeking treatment just means more people understand gender incongruence and are prepared to seek treatment for it.

deleted 6y ago

[deleted]