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Has Google been breaking the web with non-compliant implementations of web standards?

walrus01 6y ago
More like it's been using its dominant browser market position, and "Essential" nature as a search/cloud based services operator, to wag the dog of the web standardization process.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  Which Google-pushed standards were most at fault for making websites break on Firefox?
  - toyg 6y ago
    Have a read: https://mobile.twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871243301625856 https://mobile.twitter.com/johnath/status/111687124330162585... Google are just as bad as MS. End of story.
    - Datagenerator 6y ago
      Deliberately breaking the performance of YouTube on Firefox is fine, because it shows how the non neutral net degrades into a television show with lots of commercial breaks. No way to opt out while trying to do work on your personal computer using the information shared on our Internet. None of that, if it's up to Microsoft and Google.
skinkestek 6y ago
They - break compability or make their sites slow in other browsers, sometimes in so interesting ways that it makes it hard to defend as just incompetence. Edit, example: didn't they go out of their way to find a way to make YouTube crawl in Firefox while performing well in Chrome a few months ago? IIRC instead of doing it the new straightforward way that was supported everywhere they went with a solution that was so backwards that it was already deprecated in Chrome as well or something? - make banners on the front page of the worlds most famous web property, urging people to change
- hannob 6y ago
  I'm using Firefox and the only service that I have to use on a regular basis that does not really work in Firefox is actually Microsoft Teams. This is quite ironic given all the "Google killed Microsoft's own browser engine" stories.
  - happymellon 6y ago
    I find Excel in Firefox to be quite broken. Google is much better at working than Microsoft.
- mmcnl 6y ago
  You're nitpicking. The situation is a night and day difference compared to 10-20 years ago.
- deleted 6y ago
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- Snarwin 6y ago
  The YouTube thing was back in 2018: https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-youtube-down-on-non-chrome-browsers/ https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-yo...
- _flux 6y ago
  > break compability or make their sites slow in other browsers "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" > make banners on the front page of the worlds most famous web property Well, can't argue with that!
  - skinkestek 6y ago
    Do you really think the individuals at Google are stupid? I do not think so.
    - _flux 6y ago
prepend 6y ago
They sort of killed DNT.

More like it's been using its dominant browser market position, and "Essential" nature as a search/cloud based services operator, to wag the dog of the web standardization process.

threatofrain 6y ago
Which Google-pushed standards were most at fault for making websites break on Firefox?
- toyg 6y ago
  Have a read: https://mobile.twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871243301625856 https://mobile.twitter.com/johnath/status/111687124330162585... Google are just as bad as MS. End of story.
  - Datagenerator 6y ago
    Deliberately breaking the performance of YouTube on Firefox is fine, because it shows how the non neutral net degrades into a television show with lots of commercial breaks. No way to opt out while trying to do work on your personal computer using the information shared on our Internet. None of that, if it's up to Microsoft and Google.

skinkestek 6y ago

They - break compability or make their sites slow in other browsers, sometimes in so interesting ways that it makes it hard to defend as just incompetence. Edit, example: didn't they go out of their way to find a way to make YouTube crawl in Firefox while performing well in Chrome a few months ago? IIRC instead of doing it the new straightforward way that was supported everywhere they went with a solution that was so backwards that it was already deprecated in Chrome as well or something? - make banners on the front page of the worlds most famous web property, urging people to change

hannob 6y ago
I'm using Firefox and the only service that I have to use on a regular basis that does not really work in Firefox is actually Microsoft Teams. This is quite ironic given all the "Google killed Microsoft's own browser engine" stories.
- happymellon 6y ago
  I find Excel in Firefox to be quite broken. Google is much better at working than Microsoft.
mmcnl 6y ago
You're nitpicking. The situation is a night and day difference compared to 10-20 years ago.
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Snarwin 6y ago
The YouTube thing was back in 2018: https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-youtube-down-on-non-chrome-browsers/ https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-yo...
_flux 6y ago
> break compability or make their sites slow in other browsers "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" > make banners on the front page of the worlds most famous web property Well, can't argue with that!
- skinkestek 6y ago
  Do you really think the individuals at Google are stupid? I do not think so.
  - _flux 6y ago

prepend 6y ago

They sort of killed DNT.