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> If one side truly is righteous, it will prevail through open discussion and logic. Unfortunately that is not always how it works out. In Germany in the 1930

> If one side truly is righteous, it will prevail through open discussion and logic. Unfortunately that is not always how it works out. In Germany in the 1930s the idea that Jews/non-Arians have conspired against Germany and should be retaliated against was discussed openly - and accepted. Obviously it was not righteous. In several US states in the 1980s the idea that homo sapiens was created by God and creationism should replace evolution in school textbooks was discussed openly - and accepted. Was it righteous? These are two very different examples, but both ask the same question: What do we do in the case where truly righteous ideas do not prevail?

Alupis 6y ago
The righteous ideals prevailed in the end, in both examples you provided - no? Nobody pretends Nazism never happened - that would be Censorship. Instead, you can buy, find, read about Nazism - including Mein Kumpf and more. Creationism is not a dominating idea in the US either - nobody censored Creationism (even to this day you can find private schools that teach it!). Instead, Creationism was defeated by questioning it's teachings, and exposing it's logical flaws. I do believe you have very eloquently proven my point. Censorship never works.
- NoodleIncident 6y ago
  The allied forces did not storm Omaha beach on D-Day to openly discuss Nazism, in case you weren't aware
  - Alupis 6y ago
    Winning the war destroyed the Nazi regime - not the Nazi ideas. That's not how ideas work... (see US Civil War and racism, as just one clear example)
- Pyramus 6y ago
  So what you are saying is that it may take a lot of time, bloodshed or decline before the righteous ideas prevail. Now, let me ask you this - are you okay to sacrifice your life for a righteous idea? So why should 10 million Jews, Polish, Czechs, Russians, gays, disabled etc.? Unless you are willing to do so, there is no point to be proven here. History has shown again and again that the righteous ideas do not always prevail (you could even argue that it's a defining human quality). Every single democratic society is built upon common beliefs of what should/should not be censored. Claiming "censorship never works" is running away from a difficult conversation and not face human reality.

Alupis 6y ago

The righteous ideals prevailed in the end, in both examples you provided - no? Nobody pretends Nazism never happened - that would be Censorship. Instead, you can buy, find, read about Nazism - including Mein Kumpf and more. Creationism is not a dominating idea in the US either - nobody censored Creationism (even to this day you can find private schools that teach it!). Instead, Creationism was defeated by questioning it's teachings, and exposing it's logical flaws. I do believe you have very eloquently proven my point. Censorship never works.

NoodleIncident 6y ago
The allied forces did not storm Omaha beach on D-Day to openly discuss Nazism, in case you weren't aware
- Alupis 6y ago
  Winning the war destroyed the Nazi regime - not the Nazi ideas. That's not how ideas work... (see US Civil War and racism, as just one clear example)
Pyramus 6y ago
So what you are saying is that it may take a lot of time, bloodshed or decline before the righteous ideas prevail. Now, let me ask you this - are you okay to sacrifice your life for a righteous idea? So why should 10 million Jews, Polish, Czechs, Russians, gays, disabled etc.? Unless you are willing to do so, there is no point to be proven here. History has shown again and again that the righteous ideas do not always prevail (you could even argue that it's a defining human quality). Every single democratic society is built upon common beliefs of what should/should not be censored. Claiming "censorship never works" is running away from a difficult conversation and not face human reality.