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I could not agree more. Taking away the volume buttons seems like such a small change, but I mess with volume 100x times a day and it went from something that r

by issa 6y ago

I could not agree more. Taking away the volume buttons seems like such a small change, but I mess with volume 100x times a day and it went from something that requires one touch without looking to multiple touches and a lot of activating SIRI by mistake. I get why people make fun of such complaints, but it's a very front-and-center pain point.

ladberg 6y ago
Protip: You can control the volume in one touch by starting at the volume icon and swiping left or right!
- Jtsummers 6y ago
  Yeah. Press on it and start moving and it gives you a volume bar to fine tune the volume, same with brightness. Most other scale-like or timeline controls are similar (versus toggle controls) if they show up in the touch bar for an application.
- dstick 6y ago
  Protip: you can press a button and train muscle memory, oh - wait.
- issa 6y ago
  I've been suffering through the touchbar for a few years now and I STILL cannot do this properly. I certainly can't do it without stopping what I am doing and looking at the bar. I tend to either hit mute, Siri, or (if I'm at an unusual angle) I dim the screen. And this happens a LOT of times per day. When I'm on a system with actual buttons it is never, ever an issue.
sohooo 6y ago
Also not a fan of the touchbar, but since I learned that you can tap on volume and immediately slide left/right, it's ok for me.
- geerlingguy 6y ago
  Even there, I don't know if it's a brain-finger disconnect or something, but about 10% of the time when I hit and slide, apparently I miss, because I slide my finger around and nothing happens. If it were <1% of the time, no problem. Also, the fact I have to glance down to do it (on my external keyboard I just jab my pinky up really quick, don't have to look at all) makes me angry every time.
dpkonofa 6y ago
How do you figure? Press and slide to your desired volume in one motion. The new volume control is one of the reasons I now prefer the Touch Bar (in addition to scrubbing through media). I used to have to tap the volume button multiple times to get to my desired volume level but now I just tap/swipe and I'm done. Edit: Looks like everyone else already said the same thing. Sorry!
- issa 6y ago
  It's interesting to me that people have such different reactions. I'm much more concerned with mute/unmute than with volume level. Not sure if that makes a difference. I don't mind a slight delay to change the volume of a youtube video or something, but when I need to respond on a conference call, I want to be able to instantly mute my volume.
  - dpkonofa 6y ago
    You can still do that. If you just tap the volume button, it toggles between mute and unmute.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Without looking?
  - dpkonofa 6y ago
    Why does that need to be a qualifier? Having to look at it doesn't bother me and, if I want to rely on muscle memory, I just plugin an external keyboard. When I'm editing media or coding, I don't mind needing to look at the Touch Bar at all.
rurp 6y ago
> Taking away the volume buttons seems like such a small change I honestly wouldn't even say it's that small of a change. Apple took an extremely common activity that worked without a thought and turned it into something you constantly have to look at and think about. This is especially annoying in the context of the posted article, where saving fractions of a second opening an app is one of the biggest pluses listed. At least to me, the former is much worse than the latter is beneficial.
Tsiklon 6y ago
Very first thing I did with my machine was remove Siri from the Touch Bar, you can customise the layout in the keyboard preferences if you haven’t already. But I agree, real bad default

by issa 6y ago

ladberg 6y ago

Protip: You can control the volume in one touch by starting at the volume icon and swiping left or right!

Jtsummers 6y ago
Yeah. Press on it and start moving and it gives you a volume bar to fine tune the volume, same with brightness. Most other scale-like or timeline controls are similar (versus toggle controls) if they show up in the touch bar for an application.
dstick 6y ago
Protip: you can press a button and train muscle memory, oh - wait.
issa 6y ago
I've been suffering through the touchbar for a few years now and I STILL cannot do this properly. I certainly can't do it without stopping what I am doing and looking at the bar. I tend to either hit mute, Siri, or (if I'm at an unusual angle) I dim the screen. And this happens a LOT of times per day. When I'm on a system with actual buttons it is never, ever an issue.

sohooo 6y ago

Also not a fan of the touchbar, but since I learned that you can tap on volume and immediately slide left/right, it's ok for me.

geerlingguy 6y ago
Even there, I don't know if it's a brain-finger disconnect or something, but about 10% of the time when I hit and slide, apparently I miss, because I slide my finger around and nothing happens. If it were <1% of the time, no problem. Also, the fact I have to glance down to do it (on my external keyboard I just jab my pinky up really quick, don't have to look at all) makes me angry every time.

dpkonofa 6y ago

How do you figure? Press and slide to your desired volume in one motion. The new volume control is one of the reasons I now prefer the Touch Bar (in addition to scrubbing through media). I used to have to tap the volume button multiple times to get to my desired volume level but now I just tap/swipe and I'm done. Edit: Looks like everyone else already said the same thing. Sorry!

issa 6y ago
It's interesting to me that people have such different reactions. I'm much more concerned with mute/unmute than with volume level. Not sure if that makes a difference. I don't mind a slight delay to change the volume of a youtube video or something, but when I need to respond on a conference call, I want to be able to instantly mute my volume.
- dpkonofa 6y ago
  You can still do that. If you just tap the volume button, it toggles between mute and unmute.
Daho0n 6y ago
Without looking?
- dpkonofa 6y ago
  Why does that need to be a qualifier? Having to look at it doesn't bother me and, if I want to rely on muscle memory, I just plugin an external keyboard. When I'm editing media or coding, I don't mind needing to look at the Touch Bar at all.

rurp 6y ago

> Taking away the volume buttons seems like such a small change I honestly wouldn't even say it's that small of a change. Apple took an extremely common activity that worked without a thought and turned it into something you constantly have to look at and think about. This is especially annoying in the context of the posted article, where saving fractions of a second opening an app is one of the biggest pluses listed. At least to me, the former is much worse than the latter is beneficial.

Tsiklon 6y ago

Very first thing I did with my machine was remove Siri from the Touch Bar, you can customise the layout in the keyboard preferences if you haven’t already. But I agree, real bad default