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Okay, how about allowing mixed race marriages? I think the 30% threshold is arbitrary and not worth fixating on, but there are certainly counter examples.

rayiner 6y ago
In 1958, only 4% of Americans supported interracial marriage. (And in 1951 you had Support was around 30% by the 1970s. It was below 50% into the mid-1990s. In 1975, The Jeffersons featured an interracial married couple on TV. So that’s not a great example of being cancelled for something 30% of Americans supported.
- mattnewton 6y ago
  Another example is catholicism; Catholics absolutely were barred from some jobs in the 50's, despite being nearly a quarter of the population. We can keep looking at examples, but I don't think the 30% is a meaningful number, as I wrote above it seems impossible to find an opinion that the majority felt comfortable expressing that went against the stringent vocal monitory setting the overton window. I hypothesize that the vast majority of people just did not care strongly about interracial marriage but did not want to tangle with those who did. It seems to just be another way of saying that today's overton window doesn't include some of the views common in conservative white america, and before it was defined by conservative white america.
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  - yanderekko 6y ago
    30% is an arbitrary number, so if you find an example with or 29% I'd be happy to hear that too. I probably could find some examples of majority views in 2021 that would get you predictably fired if you expressed them as say an adjunct professor. Think "All Lives Matter" and such. But if you have to reach down to 20% or 10% or whatever then yes that's a significant enough difference that I see it as conceding my original point about that this isn't like the 50s. It's also notable that the examples that you're reaching for seem to involve elite bigotry that eventually collapsed - do you think that cancel culture will collapse in the same fashion?

rayiner 6y ago

In 1958, only 4% of Americans supported interracial marriage. (And in 1951 you had Support was around 30% by the 1970s. It was below 50% into the mid-1990s. In 1975, The Jeffersons featured an interracial married couple on TV. So that’s not a great example of being cancelled for something 30% of Americans supported.

mattnewton 6y ago
Another example is catholicism; Catholics absolutely were barred from some jobs in the 50's, despite being nearly a quarter of the population. We can keep looking at examples, but I don't think the 30% is a meaningful number, as I wrote above it seems impossible to find an opinion that the majority felt comfortable expressing that went against the stringent vocal monitory setting the overton window. I hypothesize that the vast majority of people just did not care strongly about interracial marriage but did not want to tangle with those who did. It seems to just be another way of saying that today's overton window doesn't include some of the views common in conservative white america, and before it was defined by conservative white america.
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- yanderekko 6y ago
  30% is an arbitrary number, so if you find an example with or 29% I'd be happy to hear that too. I probably could find some examples of majority views in 2021 that would get you predictably fired if you expressed them as say an adjunct professor. Think "All Lives Matter" and such. But if you have to reach down to 20% or 10% or whatever then yes that's a significant enough difference that I see it as conceding my original point about that this isn't like the 50s. It's also notable that the examples that you're reaching for seem to involve elite bigotry that eventually collapsed - do you think that cancel culture will collapse in the same fashion?