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Linux unquestionably has problems - many of them revolving around hardware vendors not being too worried about linux driver support quality and the distros just
by trotsky 15y ago
Linux unquestionably has problems - many of them revolving around hardware vendors not being too worried about linux driver support quality and the distros just not being able to QA enough platforms before release.
However, it sounds to me like this guy had just had enough with the platform for whatever reason - and then proceeded to make a bunch of decisions that put him on a collision course with failure. Not saying he didn't run into valid issues, but someone with that much linux experience should have well known about some of the issues he was about to run into.
Running Fedora 15: This got released a bit more than two weeks ago. Fedora always seems to have a bunch of issues for me in the first month or two until they get a bunch of user submitted problems ironed out. I know this well with F15 right now - I'm running it and have run into power management problems, nfs blocking hibernation, occasional extreme gui lag, an incompatibility with gnome shell and fglrx etc. There are tickets open on these and I'm confident many of them will get resolved. F14 has none of these issues now - if you want a super stable and reliable desktop experience you generally shouldn't run a brand new Fedora release.
Running gnome 3 / gnome shell: This is also brand new and it should be somewhat of a nobrainer that there are going to be some issues. Early KDE 4 had similar issues. But then again so did Aero when Windows Vista was brand new. Want a stable, polished experience? Run something that's been worked on for a while - this is more or less true in any OS.
Driver issues with new hardware. Maybe it shouldn't be this way, but it's a reality. If you don't want to fuss with drivers consider buying stuff that's been out for a little longer. My ironlake gpu is supported 100% perfectly in fedora 14. Then again I've seen F15 running on a sandy bridge gpu working just great so I'm not sure what issue he's running into. It seems quite possible that the dual gpus are confusing the issue. My laptop with dual gpus (ironlake and radeon) has some issues until I ban the radeon driver from loading at boot (it can still be loaded before switching to the amd gpu before X loads).
A lot of his rants about GPU drivers honestly don't sound very accurate to me. Intel drivers are garbage? Not in my experience - it seems to me that the Intel maintained open source drivers are some of the best of the open source solutions and generally work out of the box on everything I use them on. Maybe he's running into a problem because Sandybridge has really only been practically in use for 4-5 months. AMD drivers are garbage? There is an element of truth here but it's quite overstated.
If linux doesn't agree with him any longer that's perfectly understandable. Hopefully he'll be happier under Windows. But to me it sounds like this guy has some rage issues and has either warped his own perspective of the situation due to them or is intentionally looking to make the situation look worse to the reader.
/shrug
- Symmetry 15y agoYes, its very much a matter of Intel not having its drivers for Sandy Bridge ready when the chip was released rather than Intel drivers being bad in general. I got a new Nehalem laptop right after they came out and the drivers barely worked at all for a couple of months. Then there was a new kernel and everything worked beautifully with no problems up until the present day. Is it bad that Intel's Linux drivers are months behind the release of new hardware? Certainly! But for older stuff they work great.
- eropple 15y ago"Buy old hardware" is not a way to get people to stay on or move to your platform of choice. People don't care why their stuff doesn't work--just that it does not.
- Symmetry 15y agoFor most people I'd say the answer if to find a machine with Linux pre-installed.
- eropple 15y agoAnd pay more money for less quality? (It's not as if pre-installed Linux is cheaper than pre-installed Windows, and manufacturers that offer it aren't exactly in the highest of tiers.) The only way Linux makes sense is if it is competitive on at least one level, and it currently is not.
- sciurus 15y agoI was recently in the market for a laptop that could be ordered with 16GB of RAM and two hard drives. The options I found were the the Dell M6600, Lenovo W520, and System76 Gazelle. System76 had the greatest range of options available and the lowest overall price. The best part was that the options were priced near their cost; going from 4GB to 16GB of RAM added only $280 to the cost compared to $480 from IBM and $800 from Dell. I haven't made detailed comparisons, but I expect System76 would be competitive for more mainstream laptop configurations as well.