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Yes, I think that's an important distinction - you need a critical mass of people sharing in countercultural behavior/practices in some way to get an actual cou

Yes, I think that's an important distinction - you need a critical mass of people sharing in countercultural behavior/practices in some way to get an actual counterculture. Many people have eschewed social media for one reason or another but not in some unified way that I know of.

itronitron 6y ago
A culture doesn't require that people meet up and agree on some way of doing things. Hence a counterculture does not need to be organized or even acknowledged while in process. It just happens and then gets written about a decade later.
- greenonions 6y ago
  Imagine the Instagram posts profiling the weirdos like myself who simply have not been using Instagram for the past decade for the Instagram audience. "What do you do when you visit a scenic vista, if not take pictures?" "I look at it for a time and leave."
  - psychomugs 6y ago
    Reminds me of the tyranny of the remembering self. How much would you pay for a vacation where you can’t take any pictures and your memory is erased afterwards?
    - medicineman 6y ago
      About 20USD for a fifth.
    - throwawayboise 6y ago
      I stopped taking pictures on vacation (and other events) quite a while ago because I realized I never look at them later. So I spend the time being more focused on the actual thing, and have better memories. I wouldn't like the memory erased thing.
      - Nasrudith 6y ago
        I find that is a mortons fork sort of thing - you basically can wind up with regrets for taking and not taking pictures.
    - hnick 6y ago
      Does "memory" include fundamental changes to the self and perception along with personal growth due to exposure to new experiences and situations and time away from the grind?
oceanplexian 6y ago
There’s 40% of the population you’re missing that doesn’t participate in social media because their ideas have been banned. Sure, they might have a Facebook or a Twitter but nothing substantive happens there. They believe in things like gun rights, freedom of speech and religion, and they often go to meeting places called a “church”, which these days could be considered “counter-culture”. Their values don’t come from TV or Hollywood movies but instead have been passed down from generation to generation. From my experience people from US costal states seem to think these people are a small minority (5%) and tend to be shocked every time an election comes around.
- everdrive 6y ago
  >doesn’t participate in social media because their ideas have been banned. >Sure, they might have a Facebook or a Twitter I'm not sure what you mean by this.
  - MikeGale 6y ago
    I see something which may be referred to here. I'm acquainted with people on social media who find that what they write on Facebook (say) is banned by the algorithmic being that reads before you post. Sometimes posts disappear. Sometimes they get sent to the naughty corner for 7 days. The reason for a ban is sometimes a real head scratcher, as far as I can tell, but not always. They've tried other places to have conversations. Some of those have also been torn down. Some have gone away. I generally don't know where to, but some are setting up their own discussion spaces. (I've recommended that to those who've asked.) Maybe a return to a former age where you controlled your own discussion spaces. A braai/BBQ in the back yard, a table in the corner of the pub, a ten day tramp through the mountains with four friends.
- watwut 6y ago
  There is huge amount of Christians and gin rights advocates on Twitter. The TV actually caters to them a lot. Yet also, people from coastal states are like 75% od USA population.
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itronitron 6y ago

A culture doesn't require that people meet up and agree on some way of doing things. Hence a counterculture does not need to be organized or even acknowledged while in process. It just happens and then gets written about a decade later.

greenonions 6y ago
Imagine the Instagram posts profiling the weirdos like myself who simply have not been using Instagram for the past decade for the Instagram audience. "What do you do when you visit a scenic vista, if not take pictures?" "I look at it for a time and leave."
- psychomugs 6y ago
  Reminds me of the tyranny of the remembering self. How much would you pay for a vacation where you can’t take any pictures and your memory is erased afterwards?
  - medicineman 6y ago
    About 20USD for a fifth.
  - throwawayboise 6y ago
    I stopped taking pictures on vacation (and other events) quite a while ago because I realized I never look at them later. So I spend the time being more focused on the actual thing, and have better memories. I wouldn't like the memory erased thing.
    - Nasrudith 6y ago
      I find that is a mortons fork sort of thing - you basically can wind up with regrets for taking and not taking pictures.
  - hnick 6y ago
    Does "memory" include fundamental changes to the self and perception along with personal growth due to exposure to new experiences and situations and time away from the grind?

oceanplexian 6y ago

There’s 40% of the population you’re missing that doesn’t participate in social media because their ideas have been banned. Sure, they might have a Facebook or a Twitter but nothing substantive happens there. They believe in things like gun rights, freedom of speech and religion, and they often go to meeting places called a “church”, which these days could be considered “counter-culture”. Their values don’t come from TV or Hollywood movies but instead have been passed down from generation to generation. From my experience people from US costal states seem to think these people are a small minority (5%) and tend to be shocked every time an election comes around.

everdrive 6y ago
>doesn’t participate in social media because their ideas have been banned. >Sure, they might have a Facebook or a Twitter I'm not sure what you mean by this.
- MikeGale 6y ago
  I see something which may be referred to here. I'm acquainted with people on social media who find that what they write on Facebook (say) is banned by the algorithmic being that reads before you post. Sometimes posts disappear. Sometimes they get sent to the naughty corner for 7 days. The reason for a ban is sometimes a real head scratcher, as far as I can tell, but not always. They've tried other places to have conversations. Some of those have also been torn down. Some have gone away. I generally don't know where to, but some are setting up their own discussion spaces. (I've recommended that to those who've asked.) Maybe a return to a former age where you controlled your own discussion spaces. A braai/BBQ in the back yard, a table in the corner of the pub, a ten day tramp through the mountains with four friends.
watwut 6y ago
There is huge amount of Christians and gin rights advocates on Twitter. The TV actually caters to them a lot. Yet also, people from coastal states are like 75% od USA population.
- 6y ago