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> No, there are iPhone assembled from parts, I won't call it pirated. And people who buy those phones because they cannot afford it. It is very different from w

> No, there are iPhone assembled from parts, I won't call it pirated. And people who buy those phones because they cannot afford it. It is very different from what you are doing. And the worst part of your story is that you attribute what you did to something not yours, so you don't have to take the responsibility of your own behavior. It is wrong. Some are legit parts. Many are pirated. There's even android phones sold under the apple brand with a reskinned android OS. You 100% don't know what you're talking about at all. You want proof? Watch it: https://youtu.be/e4wbFdePb-k?t=278 https://youtu.be/e4wbFdePb-k?t=278 The more you watch the more educated you'll be. >Look at the iPhone sales figure from Apple, and look at android sales numbers. And you are trying to suggest that "the rest of China" buys a counter fake iPhone? You are either dishonest or you know nothing about China. Yes. Dude. In China they have entire factories that build counterfeit stuff. >And the worst part of your story is that you attribute what you did to something not yours, so you don't have to take the responsibility of your own behavior. It is wrong. This is where you're wrong. I never admitted or justified what I was doing as right or wrong. In fact I think it's wrong. I'm human and I'm not perfect. I'm very capable of doing things that are wrong. The difference between you and me is that I don't have to lie to myself about the reality of what I'm doing. I don't have to justify it to myself. It's wrong, but I do it regardless without lying to myself. There are moral lines I don't cross, but I'm no boy scout. If you can't see that pirated goods are rampant in China than you're lying to yourself. Stop lying. Accept reality for what it is, don't let national pride blind you from the absolute truth.

dang 6y ago
Your comment also crosses into personal attack; please don't do that on HN, even when provoked. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
powerapple 6y ago
Let me be very honest with you, my friends, and my relatives, and all the people I know, I have yet to meet a single person who bought a counterfeit iPhone or Android. They live in third-tier city, regular people.
- neonological 6y ago
  Explain the video. Explain the actual physical knock off of the iPhone in that video. Explain what sort of resources are required to build a phone that looks like that. I can assure you that thing is not hand made. It's coming out of a factory. Your anecdotal evidence pales in the face of visual evidence and information distributed by a wired documentary. Whether you or your friends buy knock offs doesn't change the fact that a huge industry of cheaters exists. I think you haven't been to the States. What you may consider "normal" is actually far off from what happens in the west. The western perspective on China: https://youtu.be/5ncOyYzOP3w?t=274 https://youtu.be/5ncOyYzOP3w?t=274
  - powerapple 6y ago
    The total mobile phone shipment in China for 2020 is 326 millions. You are telling me there are a huge industry outside these numbers. I don't know what to say to be honest. Mobile phones are the last to have knockoffs, because the price range is so large you can get something decent at any given price. I wouldn't trust some random documentary more than real knowledge on the ground. One industry I won't disagree with you is brands, clothing, Nike/Adidas for example. The problem is still affordability. The consumerism has educated people to value brands, and they will buy counterfeits when they cannot afford it. I don't blame people buying counterfeits to be honest, people make financial decisions based on their circumstances, either setting a trust to avoid taxation, or a shell company, to buy some counterfeits product they cannot afford.
    - neonological 6y ago
      Or that number could be total bs like the majority of economic data coming out of China. Where did you get that number and how do you know that number doesn’t include knock offs? That documentary showed real knowledge on the ground. It literally filmed someone buying a knockoff from a mall that sold only knockoffs. Like come on, that’s as close to on the ground knowledge you can get. All I need you to do is explain where that knockoff in that video came from and why I see these knockoffs all over the place every time I go to Shenzhen. The topic of this conversation is not about your disagreement with counterfeiting or not. I don’t care about whether you blame anyone or not. The topic is about whether or not such an industry of cheaters exists in China. Your initial claim is that they don’t. My claim is that not only do they exist but they’re everywhere in China. The entire Chinese culture is all about scams and the people buying and selling pirated goods play a huge part in this culture.

dang 6y ago

Your comment also crosses into personal attack; please don't do that on HN, even when provoked. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

powerapple 6y ago

Let me be very honest with you, my friends, and my relatives, and all the people I know, I have yet to meet a single person who bought a counterfeit iPhone or Android. They live in third-tier city, regular people.

neonological 6y ago
Explain the video. Explain the actual physical knock off of the iPhone in that video. Explain what sort of resources are required to build a phone that looks like that. I can assure you that thing is not hand made. It's coming out of a factory. Your anecdotal evidence pales in the face of visual evidence and information distributed by a wired documentary. Whether you or your friends buy knock offs doesn't change the fact that a huge industry of cheaters exists. I think you haven't been to the States. What you may consider "normal" is actually far off from what happens in the west. The western perspective on China: https://youtu.be/5ncOyYzOP3w?t=274 https://youtu.be/5ncOyYzOP3w?t=274
- powerapple 6y ago
  The total mobile phone shipment in China for 2020 is 326 millions. You are telling me there are a huge industry outside these numbers. I don't know what to say to be honest. Mobile phones are the last to have knockoffs, because the price range is so large you can get something decent at any given price. I wouldn't trust some random documentary more than real knowledge on the ground. One industry I won't disagree with you is brands, clothing, Nike/Adidas for example. The problem is still affordability. The consumerism has educated people to value brands, and they will buy counterfeits when they cannot afford it. I don't blame people buying counterfeits to be honest, people make financial decisions based on their circumstances, either setting a trust to avoid taxation, or a shell company, to buy some counterfeits product they cannot afford.
  - neonological 6y ago
    Or that number could be total bs like the majority of economic data coming out of China. Where did you get that number and how do you know that number doesn’t include knock offs? That documentary showed real knowledge on the ground. It literally filmed someone buying a knockoff from a mall that sold only knockoffs. Like come on, that’s as close to on the ground knowledge you can get. All I need you to do is explain where that knockoff in that video came from and why I see these knockoffs all over the place every time I go to Shenzhen. The topic of this conversation is not about your disagreement with counterfeiting or not. I don’t care about whether you blame anyone or not. The topic is about whether or not such an industry of cheaters exists in China. Your initial claim is that they don’t. My claim is that not only do they exist but they’re everywhere in China. The entire Chinese culture is all about scams and the people buying and selling pirated goods play a huge part in this culture.