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That's precisely the irritating image people like that have of themselves, which does not correspond to reality. What does it mean "beholden to trigger warnings

That's precisely the irritating image people like that have of themselves, which does not correspond to reality. What does it mean "beholden to trigger warnings"? I'm not sure in which sense you are beholden to something which you likely haven't even encountered outside of internet posts making fun of trigger warnings. What magic words are those? Not saying n*gger in polite company isn't censorship, it's just good manners. And who exactly has been fired for "believing male and female are real concepts"? This is some borderline delusional shit. The "I know I'll be downvoted for this brave opinion" bit is the icing on the cake.

aidenn0 6y ago
While I don't think the GP post is correct, counter-culture necessarily has bad manners, because manners are all about cultural norms.
- SyzygistSix 6y ago
  This is a ridiculous assertion. That might be true if mainstream culture was polite. But it isn't.
  - aidenn0 6y ago
    It's unfailingly polite regardless of how cruel it is. Give me an example of a counterculture that was not derided as rude by the mainstream of the time?
    - SyzygistSix 6y ago
      That is ridiculous. Newscasters are far less polite and far more openly partisan, combative, and opinionated than they use to be. Comments on articles and videos, and in social media, are far less polite than people replying with letters to the press in the past.
      - aidenn0 6y ago
        Elon musk argued that calling someone a pedophile was within bounds of polite banter on Twitter and people agreed with him.
        SyzygistSix 6y ago
        I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone they would say there was nothing polite about that exchange. By what definition was that exchange polite? None that are based in reality or relevant. I'm not interested in arguing about the definitions of words.
        aidenn0 6y ago
        I think you are saying that mainstream culture has adopted rude behavior, while I am saying that any behavior adopted by mainstream culture is, by definition, not rude.
      - heavyset_go 6y ago
        I guess you should be considered lucky for not being exposed to the Freeper comments section 20 years ago, or Fox News comments sections, or Patch.com comments sections. They've always been bad.
high_derivative 6y ago
You are conjuring up a lot of straw men here, really proving op's point. Getting fired for not directing a swear word but literally just saying a word in quotation is happening. The 'magical powers' is very much on point. Or do you deny this happened? https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-one-introduction-57eb6a3e0d95 https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-p...
naringas 6y ago
well, he was downvoted. but not overwhelmining so; let's call it controversial. > And who exactly has been fired for "believing male and female are real concepts"? I recall some kind of minor debacle about a Stack Overflow moderator (or employee? details are vague) who got in trouble for something related to individual choice of pronouns. It seems to be what they're refering to.
- tw26436552 6y ago
  Recently, I applied for a position at a well-known tech company, one where the requirements and my experience were a very good fit (imo). For the first time in my career, I soon received a rejection email without any interaction with a human. The application form included a not-required field for "pronouns", which I left blank. Perhaps this was the test I failed.
darepublic 6y ago
I've worked at at least one place where if I stated "male and female are real concepts" I would have raised eyebrows at min and received some official reprimand at max
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  Well yeah if I said "bacon was made to be eaten" in disdain to vegetarians, Hindus, Muslims, and Jews that would get essentially the same reaction because it is essentially wrongly invalidating others by deliberate exclusion.
pessimizer 6y ago
> Not saying n*gger in polite company isn't censorship, it's just good manners. Is this not polite company? Do you think adding an asterisk makes a significant difference? I'm black myself, do I get to say it? Could the question be more complicated than you're making it out to be? edit: I mean - MCNeil at the NYT was quite literally doing what you just did: discussing whether certain language was acceptable or should be punished. Imagine being fired for this post two years from now. I don't care about McNeil in particular (the US is an "At-Will" country, workers have no real rights, he's a privileged guy), but the state of free expression right now is bizarre. The fact that it comes when old (and most of new media) media is more consolidated than it's ever been is not coincidental.

aidenn0 6y ago

While I don't think the GP post is correct, counter-culture necessarily has bad manners, because manners are all about cultural norms.

SyzygistSix 6y ago
This is a ridiculous assertion. That might be true if mainstream culture was polite. But it isn't.
- aidenn0 6y ago
  It's unfailingly polite regardless of how cruel it is. Give me an example of a counterculture that was not derided as rude by the mainstream of the time?
  - SyzygistSix 6y ago
    That is ridiculous. Newscasters are far less polite and far more openly partisan, combative, and opinionated than they use to be. Comments on articles and videos, and in social media, are far less polite than people replying with letters to the press in the past.
    - aidenn0 6y ago
      Elon musk argued that calling someone a pedophile was within bounds of polite banter on Twitter and people agreed with him.
      - SyzygistSix 6y ago
        I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone they would say there was nothing polite about that exchange. By what definition was that exchange polite? None that are based in reality or relevant. I'm not interested in arguing about the definitions of words.
        aidenn0 6y ago
        I think you are saying that mainstream culture has adopted rude behavior, while I am saying that any behavior adopted by mainstream culture is, by definition, not rude.
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      I guess you should be considered lucky for not being exposed to the Freeper comments section 20 years ago, or Fox News comments sections, or Patch.com comments sections. They've always been bad.

high_derivative 6y ago

You are conjuring up a lot of straw men here, really proving op's point. Getting fired for not directing a swear word but literally just saying a word in quotation is happening. The 'magical powers' is very much on point. Or do you deny this happened? https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-part-one-introduction-57eb6a3e0d95 https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/nytimes-peru-n-word-p...

naringas 6y ago

well, he was downvoted. but not overwhelmining so; let's call it controversial. > And who exactly has been fired for "believing male and female are real concepts"? I recall some kind of minor debacle about a Stack Overflow moderator (or employee? details are vague) who got in trouble for something related to individual choice of pronouns. It seems to be what they're refering to.

tw26436552 6y ago
Recently, I applied for a position at a well-known tech company, one where the requirements and my experience were a very good fit (imo). For the first time in my career, I soon received a rejection email without any interaction with a human. The application form included a not-required field for "pronouns", which I left blank. Perhaps this was the test I failed.

darepublic 6y ago

I've worked at at least one place where if I stated "male and female are real concepts" I would have raised eyebrows at min and received some official reprimand at max

Nasrudith 6y ago
Well yeah if I said "bacon was made to be eaten" in disdain to vegetarians, Hindus, Muslims, and Jews that would get essentially the same reaction because it is essentially wrongly invalidating others by deliberate exclusion.

pessimizer 6y ago

> Not saying n*gger in polite company isn't censorship, it's just good manners. Is this not polite company? Do you think adding an asterisk makes a significant difference? I'm black myself, do I get to say it? Could the question be more complicated than you're making it out to be? edit: I mean - MCNeil at the NYT was quite literally doing what you just did: discussing whether certain language was acceptable or should be punished. Imagine being fired for this post two years from now. I don't care about McNeil in particular (the US is an "At-Will" country, workers have no real rights, he's a privileged guy), but the state of free expression right now is bizarre. The fact that it comes when old (and most of new media) media is more consolidated than it's ever been is not coincidental.