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Diode Drive – Privacy-focused distributed alternative to GoogleDrive and Dropbox
- dsr_ 6y agoThings not obvious from their sitemap: - privacy policy - security policy - open source? - why anybody would trust this organization
- stonesweep 6y agoRespectfully, in 5 minutes of just being a human using a website your questions are generally answered. Being skeptical is fine, but at least be honest about giving something the time to read it's resources - they have even have a page of useful pages that I found within that first 5 minutes: https://support.diode.io/article/wu3yct3hbn-further-reading https://support.diode.io/article/wu3yct3hbn-further-reading
- theon144 6y agoRespectfully, I have tried, but I wasn't able to find the answers either. Your link, in fact, addresses none of the questions raised by the parent comment, the "About" page (https://diode.io/resources/about/ https://diode.io/resources/about/) seems broken, and the rest is (to me) rather inscrutable crypto jargon.
- stonesweep 6y agoGo to the link in the title, scroll down the bottom of the page and the Privacy link is right there, like it is on most website footers. The client is Go open source on github, the security is discussed on the Smart Contracts/Ethereum page and all of that network stuff. That's 3 out of 4 questions, the last one is an opinion.
- FractalHQ 6y agoWhat? The privacy policy and GitHub are both in the footer.
- prophesi 6y agoPlus their How It Works page is pretty informative. And I've only ever heard of Security Policies used in an organization/company context to ensure employees have good security hygiene.
- kennydude 6y agoI can't even see what the end user experience is from the website. All it seems to want you to do is install a random thing without really showing you what you can expect.
- buildanduse 6y agoHey there - we'll be posting some videos soon - agree it is not a great experience to have to click or install something without understanding what will happen. Thanks for the feedback.
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- theon144 6y agoWhy should I use this instead of https://syncthing.net/ https://syncthing.net/? I looked around the website for a while, but the model seems fairly similar, and I wasn't able to find any unique advantages.
- fs111 6y agoThis one has more blockchain nonsense, so it is clearly better
- nikolay 6y agoYeah, sprinkle some bullchain in it... and money will start pouring in!
- dominicl 6y agoWe're using the blockchain to register unique usernames, drive addresses and store drive memberships (public keys) so there is no central database required to keep the system up and running. The goal is to provide the convenience of a centralized system, without a centralized system. That said we still have to improve convenience... beta as it says
- okcomputerrrr 6y agoSyncthing - As per their website what it does is to synchronize files between two or more computers in real time, which are usually owned by you so the storage limit is the highest storage you have on a single computer Diode Drive - A privacy-focused alternative to Google Drive or Dropbox - share and collaborate without uploading to the cloud.you have unlimited storage and files can be shared with a link with anyone and yes that blockchain nonsense
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- dominicl 6y agoSyncthing is pretty great and for us an inspiration technically, but we also believe it's too difficult for the non-technical population. But we're targeting a reduced easy to use UI. We're trying to get as near as possible to the convenience of Dropbox/Google while being peer-2-peer and end-2-end encrypted.
- FractalHQ 6y agoWow- free unlimited storage? How is that possible. I’ve never seen a free plan with unlimited cloud storage before. Am I missing something?
- emayljames 6y agoMaybe unlimited, as in you can buy yourself as many hard drives as you want to allocate to it?. I'm not at all sure how it works though.
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- Saris 6y agoThe storage is all done on your own PC.
- up2isomorphism 6y agoThen it is NOT unlimited.
- Saris 6y agoTechnically it is, as you can keep expanding your own storage. Compared to a cloud storage service that has hard limits on space usage.
- buildanduse 6y agoCorrect - storage can be done on a PC or a server system - https://support.diode.io/article/vr156n18cf-is-diodedrive-unlimited-storage https://support.diode.io/article/vr156n18cf-is-diodedrive-un.... I personally run some of my personal Zones with a raspberry pi connected to a USB drive as an always-on backup. Enterprise implementations would use whatever server (or private or even public cloud) based storage is appropriate for them. Great feedback and thoughts.
- encryptluks2 6y agoIt seems like this a big stretch of the truth on their part. If you have let say 30TB of data hosted in the cloud and wanted to use this. Not on would you need a RAID yourself so we're talking probably 4-6 high capacity drives at around $500 a piece, but additionally you'd need around triple that to match the redundancy of cloud storage. Additionally you'd need someone capable of setting up a shared file system and fiber between all the access points. We're talking probably around $12,000 upfront and monthly bandwidth costs of $750. That or you can get unlimited storage from Google for around $120/mo, maybe much less. Many people still only pay around $12/mo.
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- nikolay 6y agoNot working. Getting all the time whatever I do: ERROR Argument Error: %!(EXTRA string=error, string=provide -register <name>=<address> or -lookup <name> or -account <name> or -unregister <name> or -transfer <name>=<new_owner> argument)
- dominicl 6y agoYou're using the Diode CLI clients, it gives direct and raw access to the relay network. If you want to try "Diode Drive" you've to get the download link above that.
- nikolay 6y agoAnd what's wrong with using the CLI?
- buildanduse 6y agoNothing wrong with using the CLI, but the CLI is a more general purpose tool for exercising / leveraging the Diode Network, while Diode Drive is tailored to file / folder sharing/collaboration/backup. The CLI doesn't yet support all of the file-specific capabilities implemented in Diode Drive.
- nikolay 6y agoI am an early adopter and I've tried tens of thousands of products and services during launch. You should put a much bigger effort on the UX. I'm really confused and if I'm confused, the regular folk will just not wanna touch it with a ten-foot pole!
- buildanduse 6y agoThanks for the feedback, we 110% agree - a UI update is coming in the next 2 weeks that is a first step. Please shoot us any specific feedback you have! https://t.me/diode_chain https://t.me/diode_chain
- dominicl 6y agoHey, cofounder here, thanks for the interest. We just released our beta and I'm happy to answer any questions / take them to improve our site/docs. Here a couple of answers on questions I'm seeing in the comments right now: Privacy: The clients are operating peer-2-peer and their communication is end-2-end encrypted. Meaning you and your peers host the data. The relay servers if needed are never and can never see your data. Unlimited Storage: As it's a peer to peer system, there are no 3rd party servers storing any of your data. So it's limited only by your clients capacity Open Source: The relay network servers are open source on our github site. The GUI client is closed source, you pay for the convenience. We might open source a pure command line client in the future. Privacy Policy & Terms: They are linked at the bottom of the page: https://diode.io/privacy-policy/ https://diode.io/privacy-policy/ & ttps://diode.io/msa/ I'm happy to answer all questions on this. Keep em coming.
- throwaway1492 6y agoHow do you sleep at night knowing what evil this will be used for? Edit; honest question, I personally would never provide such a service for exactly this reason.
- ttfxxcc 6y agoHow do you sleep at night knowing your tax dollars directly pay for mass murder and child rape?
- throwaway1492 6y agoLol post above is 3 minutes old, account is 4 minutes old? Diode Drive is that you?
- moistbar 6y agoIt's telling that you didn't bother to address the other, better-reasoned comment calling you out.
- jimthedj655 6y agoI have been using this in beta form and works fairly well, early days but shows a lot of promise.
- rock_artist 6y agoThis indeed is interesting. But few things I wonder as it mentioned as an alternative to Dropbox/Google Drive. - partial syncing/online. Is the client(s) capable of having files not on all devices? (Eg. My desktops with 2TB and a laptop with 256gb I'd like to have shallow copies until I need a file). - mobile apps. Media Auto upload. This is another thing I see still lacking. Would be great to know if those are coming :)
- dominicl 6y agoAbsolutely! Both items actually have come up during our alpha and we're going to add them. Roadmap is not up-to-date but we have started collecting feedback and feature requests here: https://github.com/diodechain/diode_drive_feedback/issues https://github.com/diodechain/diode_drive_feedback/issues
- rock_artist 6y agoThanks. Really like using GitHub issues for FRs
- hedora 6y agoBackup story? Client side encrypted, but in the cloud would be my preference. As long as the cloud and my house don’t fail at the same time, things are all good, and there’s no privacy trade off.
- dominicl 6y agoYeah, definitely. Today you have to setup two instances at different locations yourself for backup. That has the advantage that you have full control, but it can be tedious. We would like to make that process simpler in the future
- buildanduse 6y agoWe will be releasing some options for this in the near future - stay tuned!
- tomovo 6y agoSo something like Resilio? https://www.resilio.com https://www.resilio.com
- corbet 6y agoI'm sorry, but if I see "high security" followed by instructions to do "curl|sh", I have a hard time taking anything else seriously...
- buildanduse 6y agoThe curl instructions are a method to download the CLI tool...
- encryptluks2 6y agoThe point being is it is bad security to pipe a script into your shell. Providing a copy and paste to do just that leaves a bad impression.
- buildanduse 6y agoThanks for the feedback...
- xfer 6y agoDownloading a binary from internet and running it doesn't make it a better practice. That's what everyone does though. So no idea why you are complaining about curl and pipes.
- encryptluks2 6y agoThat actually happens a lot less frequently with Linux distros since most users just use their distribution repos to install software.
- runningmike 6y agoIs this a prank? Privacy, security and reliability by obscurity? PKI is not broken but instead challenged in depth on all implementations. Blockchain and many other buzz words used for this concept stay empty as long when the source code can not be inspected.
- buildanduse 6y agoCheck out our github at https://github.com/diodechain https://github.com/diodechain and feel free to join our Telegram channel at https://t.me/diode_chain https://t.me/diode_chain. The tech, represented by BlockQuick (https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/579.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/579.pdf), is a fundamental improvement and https://github.com/diodechain/presentations/blob/master/Taipei_Ethereum_Meetup_2019/Diode%20CTO%20Dominic%20Letz_%20Blockchains%20for%20Decentralized%20PKI%20on%20IoT%20Devices.pdf https://github.com/diodechain/presentations/blob/master/Taip... has more info about how this approach resolves some of the challenges with PKI.
- huhtenberg 6y agoI'm getting a strong early 00s vibe - the time when P2P was getting traction and people were trying to use it this way and that way. Good ideas, interesting tech, but ultimately just a collection of solutions, frameworks and platforms in search of a problem. When the excitement subsided, it turned out that nobody really cared about things to be p2p per se. Nobody cared how it was done, only that it did what they needed. In some cases p2p was the answer, i.e. BitTorrent and the original Skype, in very many others it wasn't and a centralized solution was simpler, cheaper, more reliable or more user-friendly. Diode Drive appears to be in the same spirit. As a technical person I appreciate the solution, but it doesn't appear to be solving any tangible problem in some dramatically better way that also maps onto a better user experience. This is based on the 8 minute "How Diode Drive works" video behind two "Learn More" links. If I got it right, then the idea is that N people can come together as a "trusted group" and use each other as nodes in a storage cluster. They can also share out files from the storage with outsiders and these files will be delivered from one of the nodes in the group. If that's correct, then I'd argue that this is in fact a solution in search of a problem, competing directly with a good old dedicated storage box, e.g. an on-premises NAS that is accessible from the Internet in some way. I can see Diode Drive being used as a stop-gap solution while a proper one is put in place, but that's about it. But I may be missing something. I hope do. But on the surface this is eerie similar to the projects of the p2p glory days from 20 years ago.
- IlliOnato 6y agoWell, as far s I understand it, Diode Drive "competes" with OneDrive and DropBox, not with on-premises NAS. There is a reason OneDrive and DropBox exist and are widely popular, they don't seem a "solution in search of a problem". As I understand it, the idea of Diode Drive is to be just as easy to setup and use, but without trusting Microsoft or Dropbox the company with your files. For individuals and small businesses not having an easy access to sysadmin skills, setting up (and securing!) an "on-premises NAS that is accessible from the Internet in some way" is a no-go. And having a regular file that automatically syncs is far more convenient than syncing files by hand, entering passwords, etc etc. Disclaimer: I know nothing about Diode Drive other than what I gleaned from their website.
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- punnerud 6y agoIf you want to join the discussions on Telegram with the team: https://t.me/diode_chain https://t.me/diode_chain
- up2isomorphism 6y agoEach time when I see something offer "unlimited storage" for free account, I know this is either a lie or not sustainable.
- wscott 6y agoUnlimited just means "as much storage as you provide". This is p2p.
- bgandrew 6y agoThat sounds as if I give you free plastic bags and call it a free unlimited storage unit. Jokes aside, the project looks cool, especially cli part.
- up2isomorphism 6y agoYou do realize it is a misleading term right? What is the difference for people just buy a NAS in term of "as much storage as you provide"?
- Geee 6y agoSia already solved that problem https://sia.tech https://sia.tech
- mig_ 6y agoipfs saicoin internxt, lots of distributed decentralized storage options
- buildanduse 6y agoThose are mostly about using a pool of 3rd party storage for decentralized cloud-based storage, and the "clients" for them are more suited to a patient and tech-savvy person. Diode Drive is a small app that can run on almost every system, and doesn't use unknown 3rd party cloud-based resources - it uses only the systems you control (or trust) for its resources. So it has benefits in terms of intentionality, regionality, and compliance. Also, since Diode Drive is implemented on the Diode Network, there are many adjacent capabilities it can support.
- walrus01 6y agoEncouraging people to blindly trust something they've never heard of before and curl into a shell to install software does not inspire confidence in a project's security practices. Your thing is too new to be officially packaged for debian, centos or whatever? Okay fine, at least put up a link with a sha256 signature for the stuff you're distributing, and some instructions on a more traditional method of downloading, verifying, extracting a .tar.bz2 or .tar.xz file, and then installing it.
- dominicl 6y agoYeah we're hoping to be packaged soon. In the meantime the safest way to install the diode cli is to clone the repo http://github.com/diodechain/diode_client http://github.com/diodechain/diode_client and build it yourself. Point taken on the checksums, we will add those
- room505 6y agoQuestions I have for this is, does it have a file locking feature so two people cannot open the same file in a project? Think AutoCad. Also, would this work with Revit collaboration? I obviously work in architecture.
- buildanduse 6y agoIt looks like the Worksharing feature that Revit supports may work with Diode Drive - https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/getting-started/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2019/ENU/Revit-Collaborate/files/GUID-3896288A-0729-4C41-A67D-4FA970DF3E43-htm.html https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/gettin... It does not currently do file locking - it leaves that to the application at this point. If you do give it a shot with Revit worksharing, let us know how it goes! https://t.me/diode_chain https://t.me/diode_chain
- aptmiguk 6y agoSounds like a great product. But I hope you have a good security POC - won't be long before bad guys are hosting malware on those sharable links. I'm going to sign up, but just wanted to warn you.
- sub7 6y agoWebView2 installation failed, I don't have a copy of Internet Explorer on my PC
- buildanduse 6y agoThanks for letting us know - we will check out options...