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What's good about liberalism? They seem more progressive than ever; an open socialist nearly won their primary last year.

by caslon 6y ago

chmod600 6y ago
Socialism, liberalism, and progressivism are all different ideas. Leftism tries to combine these ideas into a coherent political ideology. Liberalism (the part about individual rights) is a check on the abuses of socialism, and progressivism is supposed to make it all work (experts in control making good decisions). I'm not a Leftist, but I can acknowledge that it's a coherent ideology. When you take Leftism and take away liberalism and progressivism, you are left with rebels that have no solution to anything. Like BLM and antifa which are always recruiting to attack a mysterious "system" rather than making serious proposals. (It's always easier to get people to agree on a problem than a solution.) If they were to win, it would look more like Venezuela or Cuba than Denmark or Sweden.
- caslon 6y ago
  I know that liberalism and progressiveness are different things. Liberalism isn't tied to progressiveness, but progressiveness is inherently tied to economic justice. Socialism is certainly a progressive stance. Liberalism can be dropped with no real loss. What's wrong with Cuba? It seems like it's doing pretty well; it has more or less the longest-lasting government in South America, largely because it dropped liberalism.
justaman 6y ago
Liberalism and progressiveism are not the same thing.
- caslon 6y ago
  > The Left seems to have given up on liberalism in persuit of victory. They are in the process of giving up on progressivism. This is a direct quote from the post I am replying to. I know liberalism and progressiveness aren't the same thing. I am stating that they're getting more progressive, and I don't see why liberalism declining is a bad thing.

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What's good about liberalism? They seem more progressive than ever; an open socialist nearly won their primary last year.

by caslon 6y ago

What's good about liberalism? They seem more progressive than ever; an open socialist nearly won their primary last year.

chmod600 6y ago
Socialism, liberalism, and progressivism are all different ideas. Leftism tries to combine these ideas into a coherent political ideology. Liberalism (the part about individual rights) is a check on the abuses of socialism, and progressivism is supposed to make it all work (experts in control making good decisions). I'm not a Leftist, but I can acknowledge that it's a coherent ideology. When you take Leftism and take away liberalism and progressivism, you are left with rebels that have no solution to anything. Like BLM and antifa which are always recruiting to attack a mysterious "system" rather than making serious proposals. (It's always easier to get people to agree on a problem than a solution.) If they were to win, it would look more like Venezuela or Cuba than Denmark or Sweden.
- caslon 6y ago
  I know that liberalism and progressiveness are different things. Liberalism isn't tied to progressiveness, but progressiveness is inherently tied to economic justice. Socialism is certainly a progressive stance. Liberalism can be dropped with no real loss. What's wrong with Cuba? It seems like it's doing pretty well; it has more or less the longest-lasting government in South America, largely because it dropped liberalism.
justaman 6y ago
Liberalism and progressiveism are not the same thing.
- caslon 6y ago
  > The Left seems to have given up on liberalism in persuit of victory. They are in the process of giving up on progressivism. This is a direct quote from the post I am replying to. I know liberalism and progressiveness aren't the same thing. I am stating that they're getting more progressive, and I don't see why liberalism declining is a bad thing.