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Not only would they disagree with you, but their strategy actually works. Leftists, "wokeness", and social justice wouldn't be the hot topics they've been if t

Not only would they disagree with you, but their strategy actually works. Leftists, "wokeness", and social justice wouldn't be the hot topics they've been if the strategy of leftists weren't effective. In terms of "adults", they are few and far between. There will always be biological adults, but so many adults are emotionally stunted that it's difficult for me to give them the title. Just as domestically raised cats are more child-like than cats that have spent their lives on the streets, the average life of an adult in the west is replete with comfort and novelty so as to keep them from building maturity and character. This makes them incredibly easy to be shamed into doing whatever is considered acceptable by the society they're in.

drooby 6y ago
You might have to define “works”. There was a raid on the capitol. Racial tension is at its highest point in decades. Domestic terrorism is on the rise.
- ravenstine 6y ago
  I hesitate to respond to this because I've been scolded by dang whenever I make political comments about specific groups, so I'll have to speak very generically. I will say that political movements can be either ambivalent towards or in support of destabilization of the current regime, even if that means doing things that superficially appear to be counter to their goals, so long as their politics are normalized and even chosen by the information brokers.
alexfromapex 6y ago
Their strategies may “work” in the short-term but I think short-term thinking is really damaging the long-term progress for the US political sphere. The reason the founders decided to emphatically form the “United States” is because we are stronger working together than as factions or tribes.
- artichokes 6y ago
  > we are stronger working together than as factions or tribes. "We are stronger working together" is what a tribe is.
karaterobot 6y ago
> Not only would they disagree with you, but their strategy actually works. Leftists, "wokeness", and social justice wouldn't be the hot topics they've been if the strategy of leftists weren't effective. Is the goal of social justice movements just to be hot topics? Your statement makes it seem like success is measured by the amount of retweets or something. Clearly that can't be true, but if global fascism and ethnic nationalism is on the rise, what actual victories can this strategy claim to have won? In general I think there has been progress, but it's all come from other corners: economics, regulatory reforms, art, and so on. Other than getting attention, are there any specific things you're thinking of when you say this strategy has been effective?
- ravenstine 6y ago
  > Is the goal of social justice movements just to be hot topics? I'm not sure I understand precisely what you're getting at but, for the record, anyone reading this should understand that I am not suggesting that hot topics are the goal of social justice. In fact, I wasn't even making a value judgement of left wing causes in general, but people seem to always take the word "leftists" as a pejorative. All I'm saying is that leftist political strategies have been successful in that, on any given day, I can tune in to any given medium and count on trans rights, BLM, UBI, social equity, anti-racism, and so forth being a topic of conversation. This wasn't nearly as true before the current wave of leftism gained steam.
  - a1369209993 6y ago
    > I am not suggesting that hot topics are the goal of social justice. "their strategy actually works." implies that their strategy accompishes their goals. "Leftists, "wokeness", and social justice wouldn't be the hot topics they've been if the strategy of leftists weren't effective." impies that hot topics are what their strategy accompished. The transitive property between "goals" == "what strategy accompished" == "hot topics" is at least pretty clearly implied there.
- ralusek 6y ago
  I think the current primary strategy is to destabilize Western liberalism. Every tenet of liberalism is actively under attack, and successfully so. Individualism? Long gone, the name of the game is collectivism and your identity groups are everything. Color blindness? It's officially considered to be an outdated, laughable mode of thinking. If your identity collective is paramount, how can you be blind to the parameter by which we should first be characterizing you by? Freedom of speech? Muh freeze peach. This is now a dog whistle value for hate speech. Freedom of speech just means freedom for the identity groups in oppressive positions. Rule of law? The application of the law should, of course, not be universal. It should be applied with context, with the context being...you guessed it...your identity group. Objectivity? Facts? Reason? Tools of the colonialists in order to snuff out alternative modes of thinking. Any claim at truth is simply done within the context of the identity group. If you don't think the left has succeeded in this objective, I don't know what planet you're living on. As a liberal, I can hardly communicate with any of my peers within the framework that has been foundational to Western civilization.

drooby 6y ago

You might have to define “works”. There was a raid on the capitol. Racial tension is at its highest point in decades. Domestic terrorism is on the rise.

ravenstine 6y ago
I hesitate to respond to this because I've been scolded by dang whenever I make political comments about specific groups, so I'll have to speak very generically. I will say that political movements can be either ambivalent towards or in support of destabilization of the current regime, even if that means doing things that superficially appear to be counter to their goals, so long as their politics are normalized and even chosen by the information brokers.

alexfromapex 6y ago

Their strategies may “work” in the short-term but I think short-term thinking is really damaging the long-term progress for the US political sphere. The reason the founders decided to emphatically form the “United States” is because we are stronger working together than as factions or tribes.

artichokes 6y ago
> we are stronger working together than as factions or tribes. "We are stronger working together" is what a tribe is.

karaterobot 6y ago

> Not only would they disagree with you, but their strategy actually works. Leftists, "wokeness", and social justice wouldn't be the hot topics they've been if the strategy of leftists weren't effective. Is the goal of social justice movements just to be hot topics? Your statement makes it seem like success is measured by the amount of retweets or something. Clearly that can't be true, but if global fascism and ethnic nationalism is on the rise, what actual victories can this strategy claim to have won? In general I think there has been progress, but it's all come from other corners: economics, regulatory reforms, art, and so on. Other than getting attention, are there any specific things you're thinking of when you say this strategy has been effective?

ravenstine 6y ago
> Is the goal of social justice movements just to be hot topics? I'm not sure I understand precisely what you're getting at but, for the record, anyone reading this should understand that I am not suggesting that hot topics are the goal of social justice. In fact, I wasn't even making a value judgement of left wing causes in general, but people seem to always take the word "leftists" as a pejorative. All I'm saying is that leftist political strategies have been successful in that, on any given day, I can tune in to any given medium and count on trans rights, BLM, UBI, social equity, anti-racism, and so forth being a topic of conversation. This wasn't nearly as true before the current wave of leftism gained steam.
- a1369209993 6y ago
  > I am not suggesting that hot topics are the goal of social justice. "their strategy actually works." implies that their strategy accompishes their goals. "Leftists, "wokeness", and social justice wouldn't be the hot topics they've been if the strategy of leftists weren't effective." impies that hot topics are what their strategy accompished. The transitive property between "goals" == "what strategy accompished" == "hot topics" is at least pretty clearly implied there.
ralusek 6y ago
I think the current primary strategy is to destabilize Western liberalism. Every tenet of liberalism is actively under attack, and successfully so. Individualism? Long gone, the name of the game is collectivism and your identity groups are everything. Color blindness? It's officially considered to be an outdated, laughable mode of thinking. If your identity collective is paramount, how can you be blind to the parameter by which we should first be characterizing you by? Freedom of speech? Muh freeze peach. This is now a dog whistle value for hate speech. Freedom of speech just means freedom for the identity groups in oppressive positions. Rule of law? The application of the law should, of course, not be universal. It should be applied with context, with the context being...you guessed it...your identity group. Objectivity? Facts? Reason? Tools of the colonialists in order to snuff out alternative modes of thinking. Any claim at truth is simply done within the context of the identity group. If you don't think the left has succeeded in this objective, I don't know what planet you're living on. As a liberal, I can hardly communicate with any of my peers within the framework that has been foundational to Western civilization.