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The comment after the article addresses the click-bait-y answer. I have the opinion that Tesla merely states that now this is not going to be a lvl3 self-drivin

The comment after the article addresses the click-bait-y answer. I have the opinion that Tesla merely states that now this is not going to be a lvl3 self-driving car. Not that there will never be one. For cars to be fully self-driving they need to talk to one-another. Not just sensors, sensing, but also have the (regularoty mandated) transponders so that each vehicle notifies other vehicles of its position. I remember when I was learning programming (many many years ago) the exercise to write the code where an object of defined dimensions AxB needs to move from Start to End in a closed circuit, with scatered obstacles inbetween. For me this is how a car needs to do. Tell other cars 'hey these are my dimensions, my current location, my speed, my direction'. With the current computing power it would be easy for cars to avoid one-another (to be proven ofc).

jfk13 6y ago
So I guess every pedestrian and cyclist etc will also be constantly broadcasting their location to all the cars, too?
- HenryBemis 6y ago
  Transponders is a vehicle to vehicle thing. Think of ships, airplanes. For pedestrians, dogs, cars, bicycles sensors, radars, cameras with AI can be used. Though I wouldn't mind having such a transponder on my bicycle though if I had the option, or a "personal anonymised transponder". The problem with that implementation is that it's a nightmare to secure it. Blockchain may be used for that?
  - angelbar 6y ago
    -Sarcasm Ninja-
  - bumby 6y ago
    True, but this would require older cars to be retrofitted with transponders as well. That’s a monumental policy and implementation task given the number of cars on the road. And there will always be some laggards or those who disable or refuse to use them
    - HenryBemis 6y ago
      Yes, and this is why this is not happening anytime soon, and thus (imho) lvl3 won't happen anytime soon. What comes to mind is the 'Fifth Element' movie, scene when Bruce Willis tampers with the electronics of this cab when police is chasing him, and he's burning the little 'points' he has left. Perhaps an early implementation could be limited in specific parts (specific highways, when you are 'woken up' before the entry & exit' and the car takes over for the long stretch. A combination of transponders, sensors, magnetic beacons/'drivers' on the asphalt, GPS, radio antennas (kinda like Android/Google maps use for location). I tend to NOT buy something until proven to work. Musk is a media/marketing freak. He will tell whatever he has to, to serve his business interest. It's down to us to jump the bandwagon, OR wait calmly until the 'thing' is actually produced, tested, proven.
plank_time 6y ago
Elon Musk said that by 2020, there would be a million Tesla Robo-taxis on the roads. You can’t have a robo-taxi with level 2. I’m surprised he hasn’t been sued for fraud at this point.
qsort 6y ago
I don't doubt we'll eventually get there, but I feel there are massively under-appreciated implementation problems with this approach. Even assuming you have developed a standard protocol that can be used for cars to communicate with each other, how do you make sure they coordinate? How do you protect against malicious actors? The programming analogy only works up to a point, the general problem would be coordinating multiple independent agents that you don't control, without knowing the code they're running.

jfk13 6y ago

So I guess every pedestrian and cyclist etc will also be constantly broadcasting their location to all the cars, too?

HenryBemis 6y ago
Transponders is a vehicle to vehicle thing. Think of ships, airplanes. For pedestrians, dogs, cars, bicycles sensors, radars, cameras with AI can be used. Though I wouldn't mind having such a transponder on my bicycle though if I had the option, or a "personal anonymised transponder". The problem with that implementation is that it's a nightmare to secure it. Blockchain may be used for that?
- angelbar 6y ago
  -Sarcasm Ninja-
- bumby 6y ago
  True, but this would require older cars to be retrofitted with transponders as well. That’s a monumental policy and implementation task given the number of cars on the road. And there will always be some laggards or those who disable or refuse to use them
  - HenryBemis 6y ago
    Yes, and this is why this is not happening anytime soon, and thus (imho) lvl3 won't happen anytime soon. What comes to mind is the 'Fifth Element' movie, scene when Bruce Willis tampers with the electronics of this cab when police is chasing him, and he's burning the little 'points' he has left. Perhaps an early implementation could be limited in specific parts (specific highways, when you are 'woken up' before the entry & exit' and the car takes over for the long stretch. A combination of transponders, sensors, magnetic beacons/'drivers' on the asphalt, GPS, radio antennas (kinda like Android/Google maps use for location). I tend to NOT buy something until proven to work. Musk is a media/marketing freak. He will tell whatever he has to, to serve his business interest. It's down to us to jump the bandwagon, OR wait calmly until the 'thing' is actually produced, tested, proven.

plank_time 6y ago

Elon Musk said that by 2020, there would be a million Tesla Robo-taxis on the roads. You can’t have a robo-taxi with level 2. I’m surprised he hasn’t been sued for fraud at this point.

qsort 6y ago

I don't doubt we'll eventually get there, but I feel there are massively under-appreciated implementation problems with this approach. Even assuming you have developed a standard protocol that can be used for cars to communicate with each other, how do you make sure they coordinate? How do you protect against malicious actors? The programming analogy only works up to a point, the general problem would be coordinating multiple independent agents that you don't control, without knowing the code they're running.