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You'd think such a thing should have been directly implemented in Chat apps and related communication channels long ago considering how much demand there is in
by dartharva 6y ago
You'd think such a thing should have been directly implemented in Chat apps and related communication channels long ago considering how much demand there is in the industry, but nope. Signal is the only one among popular texting apps that implements disappearing messages correctly.
- jgtrosh 6y agoWhat makes you say that Telegram doesn't?
- skrowl 6y agoTelegram deleting messages appear to work for me. Likely this guy is just buying into Signal FUD that Telegram is somehow worse encryption, despite Signal's encryption being used by Facebook and funded by the US Govt.
- ziddoap 6y agoWhat does using the same encryption algorithms of a government or business have to do with the conversation? Are you implying that the algorithm is unknowingly back-doored, with the evidence being that Facebook uses the same algorithm? Or am I misunderstanding your point?
- kissickas 6y agoThe claim isn't that Telegram's encryption is worse, it's that Telegram's closed-source backend is unauditable. Your other points are a great example of FUD. edit: changed clients to backend
- zwog 6y agoI think Telegram clients are open source, aren't they?
- kissickas 6y agoYou're right, edited. Thanks!
- wtmt 6y agoFor all practical purposes, Signal's backend is also closed source. The public repository for the server code hasn't been updated since April 2020 (nearing a year now) though Signal has, in the meantime, come up with features like new groups that necessitate storing more metadata on its servers.
- dartharva 6y agoI honestly didn't know Telegram had that feature, even though I've been using it for nearly a year. Stand corrected now, thanks.
- headmelted 6y agoWasn't this what got people into so much bother with Snapchat though? There's no way to undelete sent data in practice (as you've no way of knowing if the counterparty backed it up / screenshotted it etc). Sure you can enable deleting messages, but you can't guarantee they've been deleted - which is what I'm assuming puts developers off implementing the feature.
- seandoe 6y agoBut the receiver having access to the message for eternity isn't the only issue to address. If a phone is subpoenaed and the messages of interest are no longer on the phone nor on a server, that's a powerful feature.
- Threeve303 6y agoEven with proper end to end encryption and the deleted messages problem solved, an app like Signal is still relying on the rest of the OS for its security model. Keyboard input comes to mind as a potential weakness. Things like third party keyboard apps for example.
- oarsinsync 6y ago> Even with proper end to end encryption and the deleted messages problem solved, an app like Signal is still relying on the rest of the OS for its security model Is there a circumstance where an app isn’t subject to the underlying OS security model?
- Threeve303 6y agoFair point... The real core issue might be a simple one. All current power structures have great fear over any kind of real end to end encryption and would never allow it to happen. So if there ever is a weakness, like the keyboard example, it will likely be exploited to the fullest extent.
- seandoe 6y ago
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