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I think they might be referring to the power used by the chip, which is indeed comparable to entry-level chips. The thought is that if it runs this fast right

I think they might be referring to the power used by the chip, which is indeed comparable to entry-level chips. The thought is that if it runs this fast right now, imagine what it’ll be like when you put a big heat sink and fan on it and let it use 100w or something, on a Mac Pro. And more - this is a first generation product. Imagine what the second generation will be like. I think people are just excited for the possibilities. We’ll see how it all turns out, but it really does seem promising.

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africanboy 6y ago
> I think they might be referring to the power used by the chip, which is indeed comparable to entry-level chips. Is it? the Core i3 530 consumes 73 Watts the AMD Ryzen 9 5980HS consumes 35 Watts
- moreira 6y ago
  The i3-530 is a 10-year old desktop CPU, so of course it uses more power. The M1 can go up to 39w, which is comparable to the Ryzen you mentioned. I didn’t know either, and looked it up before commenting to make sure I didn’t make any wildly incorrect claims. The M1 is an incredible achievement, but let’s try to remain honest about the numbers. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201897 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201897
  - africanboy 6y ago
    that's absolutely true The i3 desktop CPU is an entry level CPU because it can still handle entry level workloads, consuming a lot more energy than the state of the art because providing high end performances while consuming less energy than the competitors is not worth the entry level segment money. Entry level means (IMO) good enough for as little money as possible in a non pro field (as in: your salary do not depend on the performances of the device) M1 Macs are not in that segment. > The M1 is an incredible achievement, but let’s try to remain honest about the numbers. 100% agree
vitus 6y ago
Actually, I agree with the sibling commenter that power consumption is not a good predictor of whether a chip is entry level. Estimate of TDP for the M1 silicon are about 20-24W [0]. The i7-1185G7E can be offered at anywhere within 12-28W TDP [1]. This 12-28W figure is exactly the same for the i3-1115G4E [2]. Yes, there's some trickery in Intel's TDP numbers, but based on Anandtech's results for that i7 [3], it looks like lower TDP means that you can't burst for as long. [0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... [1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208076/intel-core-i71185g7e-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208076/... [2] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208079/intel-core-i31115g4e-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz/specifications.html#specs-1-0-1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208079/... [3] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review-deep-dive-core-11th-gen/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review...
jychang 6y ago
Power usage is not linear with perf. Doubling power wouldn't double clockspeeds or something.

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africanboy 6y ago

> I think they might be referring to the power used by the chip, which is indeed comparable to entry-level chips. Is it? the Core i3 530 consumes 73 Watts the AMD Ryzen 9 5980HS consumes 35 Watts

moreira 6y ago
The i3-530 is a 10-year old desktop CPU, so of course it uses more power. The M1 can go up to 39w, which is comparable to the Ryzen you mentioned. I didn’t know either, and looked it up before commenting to make sure I didn’t make any wildly incorrect claims. The M1 is an incredible achievement, but let’s try to remain honest about the numbers. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201897 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201897
- africanboy 6y ago
  that's absolutely true The i3 desktop CPU is an entry level CPU because it can still handle entry level workloads, consuming a lot more energy than the state of the art because providing high end performances while consuming less energy than the competitors is not worth the entry level segment money. Entry level means (IMO) good enough for as little money as possible in a non pro field (as in: your salary do not depend on the performances of the device) M1 Macs are not in that segment. > The M1 is an incredible achievement, but let’s try to remain honest about the numbers. 100% agree

vitus 6y ago

Actually, I agree with the sibling commenter that power consumption is not a good predictor of whether a chip is entry level. Estimate of TDP for the M1 silicon are about 20-24W [0]. The i7-1185G7E can be offered at anywhere within 12-28W TDP [1]. This 12-28W figure is exactly the same for the i3-1115G4E [2]. Yes, there's some trickery in Intel's TDP numbers, but based on Anandtech's results for that i7 [3], it looks like lower TDP means that you can't burst for as long. [0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... [1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208076/intel-core-i71185g7e-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208076/... [2] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208079/intel-core-i31115g4e-processor-6m-cache-up-to-3-90-ghz/specifications.html#specs-1-0-1 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/208079/... [3] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review-deep-dive-core-11th-gen/6 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review...

jychang 6y ago

Power usage is not linear with perf. Doubling power wouldn't double clockspeeds or something.