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Ryzen isn’t popular in the high end laptop class.

bogdan 6y ago
Any guesses on why? I'm trying to get a new dev laptop with a Ryzen 4xxx or 5xxx but none of the _big_ enterprise vendors (dell, lenovo) have it yet.
- neogodless 6y ago
  Lenovo is much better than Dell and has announced a lot of Ryzen 5xxx laptops. Not sure if the Thinkbooks/Thinkpads are available yet but they are coming. AMD just caught up (to Intel) in 2020 in laptop efficiency, and the OEMs are starting to catch up in offerings in 2021. However, availability is a mess in general lately. Might be 2022 before really high-end laptops offer Ryzen regularly.
- redisman 6y ago
  The M1 is honestly very good value and the overall best mobile chip right now which is rare for Apple. Unless you need a PC. Goes toe to toe with my big desktop machine on dev workloads.
- stagger87 6y ago
  Pretty much all major laptop vendors have Ryzen 4xxx models. Some like Dell only put them in their lower tier models. https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Laptops https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Laptops should get you started on where to look. 5xxx models are just appearing, look up the Zephyrus G15.
neogodless 6y ago
> M1 is entry > Only compare high-end laptops Wait... Depending on what you're doing, compare Best (most powerful), Value, Efficiency, etc... M1 wins in Efficiency. Ryzen wins on high-end power. Value varies by laptop but currently Ryzen wins on any sub-$1200 laptop comparison for value.
- izacus 6y ago
  Thing is, Ryzen Zen3 is supposed to be pretty close to M1 on efficiency as well - this is why I want to see numbers comparing them because they're closer in capability than some obsolete Intel chip.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  I suppose it depends largely on whether you consider a laptop with a 1080p laptop and a sluggish SSD a good value. Seems to me often the “Value” you get is simply going cheap on components. Mediocre display, barely useable trackpad, slow SSD, fan noise, thermal throttling, etc. The current MacBook Air is a phenomenal value with almost no compromises.
  - haukilup 6y ago
    The M1 chip macbook pro I bought recently is only able to support a single external monitor natively, whereas non-M1 macbooks can support more. That's a massive compromise, and I'll be returning this version
  - neogodless 6y ago
    1080p is perfect for my eyes (and games). My $1030 laptop has a mid-high end NVMe 512GB SSD. Display is 144Hz, 330-nit, 100% sRGB, muffled fan noise only when playing high-end games (RTX 2060 6GB), zero heat issues or thermal throttling (max ~75°C gaming). So I guess it's just another great value with almost no compromises. (The Air and mine have different compromises. High-end gaming, wider selection of games, bigger screen vs minimal/no heat output, amazing battery, better portability. But I do think some of your assumptions about what is possible in the value segment aren't current.)
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      MacBook Air isn't marketed as a "Gaming" laptop, nor would anyone buy it as such. Claiming it's compromised because it's not great for gaming is like claiming the Xbox is compromised because it's not good at video editing.

Any guesses on why? I'm trying to get a new dev laptop with a Ryzen 4xxx or 5xxx but none of the _big_ enterprise vendors (dell, lenovo) have it yet.

neogodless 6y ago
Lenovo is much better than Dell and has announced a lot of Ryzen 5xxx laptops. Not sure if the Thinkbooks/Thinkpads are available yet but they are coming. AMD just caught up (to Intel) in 2020 in laptop efficiency, and the OEMs are starting to catch up in offerings in 2021. However, availability is a mess in general lately. Might be 2022 before really high-end laptops offer Ryzen regularly.
redisman 6y ago
The M1 is honestly very good value and the overall best mobile chip right now which is rare for Apple. Unless you need a PC. Goes toe to toe with my big desktop machine on dev workloads.
stagger87 6y ago
Pretty much all major laptop vendors have Ryzen 4xxx models. Some like Dell only put them in their lower tier models. https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Laptops https://www.amd.com/en/shop/us/Laptops should get you started on where to look. 5xxx models are just appearing, look up the Zephyrus G15.

neogodless 6y ago

> M1 is entry > Only compare high-end laptops Wait... Depending on what you're doing, compare Best (most powerful), Value, Efficiency, etc... M1 wins in Efficiency. Ryzen wins on high-end power. Value varies by laptop but currently Ryzen wins on any sub-$1200 laptop comparison for value.

izacus 6y ago
Thing is, Ryzen Zen3 is supposed to be pretty close to M1 on efficiency as well - this is why I want to see numbers comparing them because they're closer in capability than some obsolete Intel chip.
ogre_codes 6y ago
I suppose it depends largely on whether you consider a laptop with a 1080p laptop and a sluggish SSD a good value. Seems to me often the “Value” you get is simply going cheap on components. Mediocre display, barely useable trackpad, slow SSD, fan noise, thermal throttling, etc. The current MacBook Air is a phenomenal value with almost no compromises.
- haukilup 6y ago
  The M1 chip macbook pro I bought recently is only able to support a single external monitor natively, whereas non-M1 macbooks can support more. That's a massive compromise, and I'll be returning this version
- neogodless 6y ago
  1080p is perfect for my eyes (and games). My $1030 laptop has a mid-high end NVMe 512GB SSD. Display is 144Hz, 330-nit, 100% sRGB, muffled fan noise only when playing high-end games (RTX 2060 6GB), zero heat issues or thermal throttling (max ~75°C gaming). So I guess it's just another great value with almost no compromises. (The Air and mine have different compromises. High-end gaming, wider selection of games, bigger screen vs minimal/no heat output, amazing battery, better portability. But I do think some of your assumptions about what is possible in the value segment aren't current.)
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    MacBook Air isn't marketed as a "Gaming" laptop, nor would anyone buy it as such. Claiming it's compromised because it's not great for gaming is like claiming the Xbox is compromised because it's not good at video editing.