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> that the ones in charge of 'taking back control' are also the ones stifling parliament, suppressing voting, and attacking academics, judges and the rule of

> that the ones in charge of 'taking back control' are also the ones stifling parliament, suppressing voting, and attacking academics, judges and the rule of law. Do you really want them to have an influence across the whole of the EU? By leaving, our dysfunctional politicians lose influence which will help with the peace and human rights that you mentioned earlier.

gmac 6y ago
I'm in the UK, so you got me: it seems I take a somewhat self-interested view on human rights! More seriously, though, the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights, so UK human rights going down the pan probably isn't great for human rights worldwide. Peace takes two sides, so it's hard to argue that having your dysfunctional politicians run unchecked isn't going to lead to worse outcomes across the board. Edit: maybe you were joking? Ha ha.
- aembleton 6y ago
  No, I am not joking. Our politicians running unchecked isn't great for us, but at least they are no longer disrupting and influencing the whole of the EU. If we had remained then, what would the EU have prevented them from doing so far? Would they have stopped the corruption with regards to the Covid contracts? I guess we would have to keep GDPR, but then GDPR might have been stronger in the first place without the UKs influence. > the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights Yes, but we aren't any more and our press freedom index is quite low by EU standards.
  - willmw101 6y ago
    > the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights >Yes, but we aren't any more Have you got a source for this?
    - aembleton 6y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/sep/22/uk-failing-on-many-human-rights-measures-report-claims https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/sep/22/uk-failing-on-ma...
      - willmw101 6y ago
        Seems far from definitive, especially given the scale of the claim you're making, to be quite honest. I'll do some research of my own and link back if I find anything more substantial as I'm actually sympathetic to your original point even if I think the evidence you provided is weak at best.

gmac 6y ago

I'm in the UK, so you got me: it seems I take a somewhat self-interested view on human rights! More seriously, though, the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights, so UK human rights going down the pan probably isn't great for human rights worldwide. Peace takes two sides, so it's hard to argue that having your dysfunctional politicians run unchecked isn't going to lead to worse outcomes across the board. Edit: maybe you were joking? Ha ha.

aembleton 6y ago
No, I am not joking. Our politicians running unchecked isn't great for us, but at least they are no longer disrupting and influencing the whole of the EU. If we had remained then, what would the EU have prevented them from doing so far? Would they have stopped the corruption with regards to the Covid contracts? I guess we would have to keep GDPR, but then GDPR might have been stronger in the first place without the UKs influence. > the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights Yes, but we aren't any more and our press freedom index is quite low by EU standards.
- willmw101 6y ago
  > the UK used to be a major world advocate for human rights >Yes, but we aren't any more Have you got a source for this?
  - aembleton 6y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/sep/22/uk-failing-on-many-human-rights-measures-report-claims https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/sep/22/uk-failing-on-ma...
    - willmw101 6y ago
      Seems far from definitive, especially given the scale of the claim you're making, to be quite honest. I'll do some research of my own and link back if I find anything more substantial as I'm actually sympathetic to your original point even if I think the evidence you provided is weak at best.