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I swear Illustrator takes longer to launch now from a fast SSD than it did from a slow laptop HDD 15 years ago. Input latency is awful. Something's gone crazily

I swear Illustrator takes longer to launch now from a fast SSD than it did from a slow laptop HDD 15 years ago. Input latency is awful. Something's gone crazily wrong with the bloat in Adobe applications. I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago.

dunnevens 6y ago
I bought Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign CS2 a long time ago. Still use it since it's mostly for hobby and very occasional freelance. There's a tiny bit of jank running it on Windows 10, but otherwise it starts quickly and runs perfectly. The only thing I'd change if I could is to have a 64 bit version. This one chokes occasionally on very large files. But I don't deal with those enough to invest in the subscription.
- vetinari 6y ago
  For Mac, CS2 was PowerPC binary. It ran on the first Intels with Rosetta, but that's not usable for a long time now. Mac users, if they want Photoshop, they must go for subscription.
  - LegitShady 6y ago
    There were a few versions of the suite in between CS2 and subscription. I have CS5 here non subscription. Wouldn't there be an equivelant on mac?
    - Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
      CS6 was the last. But even on Intel processors, running it on Catalina or later is crash-prone and requires a fair bit of hacking around. The main problem is that there were still chunks of 32-bit code in there and macOS has stopped supporting that.
martin_a 6y ago
I feel this every time I start up my old Adobe CS4 on my private (somewhat older) Thinkpad. While the work notebook (Dell Latitude whatever) is faster than the Thinkpad, the current Adobe CC surely takes longer so start than the CS4.
Ellipsis753 6y ago
> I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago. Genuine question, can't you just install an old version of Illustrator?
- IntelMiner 6y ago
  Not anymore! Adobe has been taking the activation servers offline for its older products for some time now. Newer versions as I understand it are the service model "Creative Cloud" meanwhile
  - throwaway743 6y ago
    You can, just not an official version :/
  - folkrav 6y ago
    So... it was basically a subscription all along.
- throwaway743 6y ago
  Other issue is version compatability if you're working on a team
vimy 6y ago
> I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago. The iPad version?
pentae 6y ago
Figma? Sketch?
Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
This. I'm keeping a Mac mini on Mojave specifically to run Illustrator CS6. The price of an Intel Mac mini on eBay is fairly competitive with 2 years of Illustrator CC payments.
dbspin 6y ago
Buy a USB cd ROM drive (around 30 dollars / euro), buy an old copy of illustrator, say 5 or 6. Use offline activation using the included code.
- tartoran 6y ago
  No need for a drive, a virtual image would do as well
user-the-name 6y ago
Affinity Designer?
kitsunesoba 6y ago
Yeah I know it varies from person to person but for me the addition of useful features I use with any regularity stopped at like… CS2. And if I’m being honest, I’d have no issue getting along with CS1 or even pre-CS 6.x/7.x.

dunnevens 6y ago

I bought Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign CS2 a long time ago. Still use it since it's mostly for hobby and very occasional freelance. There's a tiny bit of jank running it on Windows 10, but otherwise it starts quickly and runs perfectly. The only thing I'd change if I could is to have a 64 bit version. This one chokes occasionally on very large files. But I don't deal with those enough to invest in the subscription.

vetinari 6y ago
For Mac, CS2 was PowerPC binary. It ran on the first Intels with Rosetta, but that's not usable for a long time now. Mac users, if they want Photoshop, they must go for subscription.
- LegitShady 6y ago
  There were a few versions of the suite in between CS2 and subscription. I have CS5 here non subscription. Wouldn't there be an equivelant on mac?
  - Doctor_Fegg 6y ago
    CS6 was the last. But even on Intel processors, running it on Catalina or later is crash-prone and requires a fair bit of hacking around. The main problem is that there were still chunks of 32-bit code in there and macOS has stopped supporting that.

martin_a 6y ago

I feel this every time I start up my old Adobe CS4 on my private (somewhat older) Thinkpad. While the work notebook (Dell Latitude whatever) is faster than the Thinkpad, the current Adobe CC surely takes longer so start than the CS4.

Ellipsis753 6y ago

> I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago. Genuine question, can't you just install an old version of Illustrator?

IntelMiner 6y ago
Not anymore! Adobe has been taking the activation servers offline for its older products for some time now. Newer versions as I understand it are the service model "Creative Cloud" meanwhile
- throwaway743 6y ago
  You can, just not an official version :/
- folkrav 6y ago
  So... it was basically a subscription all along.
throwaway743 6y ago
Other issue is version compatability if you're working on a team

vimy 6y ago

> I would jump on an optimised version of Illustrator with the feature set from 10 (or more) years ago. The iPad version?

pentae 6y ago

Figma? Sketch?

Doctor_Fegg 6y ago

This. I'm keeping a Mac mini on Mojave specifically to run Illustrator CS6. The price of an Intel Mac mini on eBay is fairly competitive with 2 years of Illustrator CC payments.

dbspin 6y ago

Buy a USB cd ROM drive (around 30 dollars / euro), buy an old copy of illustrator, say 5 or 6. Use offline activation using the included code.

tartoran 6y ago
No need for a drive, a virtual image would do as well

user-the-name 6y ago

Affinity Designer?

kitsunesoba 6y ago

Yeah I know it varies from person to person but for me the addition of useful features I use with any regularity stopped at like… CS2. And if I’m being honest, I’d have no issue getting along with CS1 or even pre-CS 6.x/7.x.