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Boogaloos are far-right only in the sense that they're libertarians afaik. > Video shot that night shows a person later identified as Hunter firing 13 rounds f

by ttt0 6y ago

Boogaloos are far-right only in the sense that they're libertarians afaik. > Video shot that night shows a person later identified as Hunter firing 13 rounds from a semiautomatic assault-style rifle on the 3rd precinct police station while people believed to be looters were inside. He then high-fived another person and shouted, “Justice for Floyd!” according to the complaint. Doesn't seem like a person who you picture when you think about a "right-wing extremist".

meheleventyone 6y ago
It's a similar problem to the whole anti-fa thing. Both have groups organizing around a common idea. Opposition to fascism for anti-fascists and trying to bring about a second civil war for the Boogaloo Bois. Neither are a strict group that exists with a coherent ideology you can point to. Instead they are a name given to lots of groups. With trying to incite a second civil war comes a lot of baggage associated with white supremacy and their dreams of the same thing along racial lines. So whilst not all groups are out and out racist a lot of them are just due to the people attracted to the idea. In particular when looking at people who are trying to incite a civil war upping the ante by shooting guns and setting buildings on fire we should be suspicious that the slogans they yell might not be in the interests of the cause but in inciting the government to respond and escalate things.
- ttt0 6y ago
  > It's a similar problem to the whole anti-fa thing. Both have groups organizing around a common idea. [...] Neither are a strict group that exists with a coherent ideology you can point to. Instead they are a name given to lots of groups. And the same goes for the loosely defined 'fascists', I guess?
  - meheleventyone 6y ago
    Yes of course. Fascist is a name given to lots of groups that subscribe to a broadly fascist ideology. Same as Marxist or conservative or liberal. This isn’t rocket science.

by ttt0 6y ago

meheleventyone 6y ago

It's a similar problem to the whole anti-fa thing. Both have groups organizing around a common idea. Opposition to fascism for anti-fascists and trying to bring about a second civil war for the Boogaloo Bois. Neither are a strict group that exists with a coherent ideology you can point to. Instead they are a name given to lots of groups. With trying to incite a second civil war comes a lot of baggage associated with white supremacy and their dreams of the same thing along racial lines. So whilst not all groups are out and out racist a lot of them are just due to the people attracted to the idea. In particular when looking at people who are trying to incite a civil war upping the ante by shooting guns and setting buildings on fire we should be suspicious that the slogans they yell might not be in the interests of the cause but in inciting the government to respond and escalate things.

ttt0 6y ago
> It's a similar problem to the whole anti-fa thing. Both have groups organizing around a common idea. [...] Neither are a strict group that exists with a coherent ideology you can point to. Instead they are a name given to lots of groups. And the same goes for the loosely defined 'fascists', I guess?
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  Yes of course. Fascist is a name given to lots of groups that subscribe to a broadly fascist ideology. Same as Marxist or conservative or liberal. This isn’t rocket science.