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> And of the two sides, only one is actively trying to restrict the freedom of people based on skin, religion and sex. Only one side is arguing for violence aga

> And of the two sides, only one is actively trying to restrict the freedom of people based on skin, religion and sex. Only one side is arguing for violence against weaker people, like fugitives and migrants. I sincerely don't think either of the two sides is advocating for those things (ignoring a very few extremists - on both sides - with malicious intent, who don't represent the majority). I do see those issues mentioned a lot in the public debate, but mostly in the context of straw man arguments repeated as a sort of battle cry, and to denigrate "the other side". It was a whole lot easier to push McCarthyism than it ever was to convincingly prove you weren't a communist.

hef19898 6y ago
The AfD called to shoot migrants at the EU border. They retreated to the "only one person's personal opinion" after a harsh backlash. QAnon representatives are calling for the murder of Democrats. The same group advocates for brutal treatment of migrants, restrictions of freedom of choice for women, direct violence against muslims. I don't see any of this on the left side of the political spectrum. Also, when someone in a group voices radical opinions and calls for violence it represents the groups view when said group is not distancing itself from these views. Because if the group doesn't, the one person is just the group trying to find out how far they can go.
- throwaway53453 6y ago
  You don't see far left communists setting up autonomous zones and executing Trump supporters who come near?
  - hef19898 6y ago
    No, I don't. And please stop spreading outright lies. And posting inflammatory comments, a look at the guidelines wouldn't hurt neither.
    - throwaway53453 6y ago
      What are the CHAZ and new George Floyd autonomous zones then? How are people declaring themselves an independent 'commune' _not communist? How many people died in and around of those zones? Maybe my comment was inflammatory, but there is evidence for the underlying point I'm making.
- curiousgeorgio 6y ago
  I appreciate you proving my point about extremist outliers, the ones who don't represent the majority of either side, yet receive all the media attention (and association with whichever side is currently being vilified). > when someone in a group voices radical opinions and calls for violence it represents the groups view when said group is not distancing itself from these views When "the other side" has an interest in associating you with extremists and refuses to listen to you repeatedly denounce the actions of those extremists, there's nothing you can do to convince them otherwise. Again, the demagoguery and parallels to the McCarthy era are troubling.
  - hef19898 6y ago
    On case of the AfD it is rather Mccarthy's old outfit deciding to treat his new one as a threat. The Verfassungsschutz, the German federal interior secret service, decided to watch the whole party as threat for democracy. The Verfassungsschutz was headed by a certain Mr. Maaßen who is now touting right wing conspiracies i social media. The minister responsible for the agency once prouded himself of deporting 69 Afghans on his 69s birthday. Ajd they are treating the AfD as a right wing extremist group now. Should tell you something. Or not.
- Viliam1234 6y ago
  > I don't see any of this on the left side of the political spectrum. So, like, when someone tweets "kill all men", no one on the left says: relax, it was obviously just a joke! Also, Valerie Solanas and Donna Hylton never existed, or at least were never considered heroes by the left.

hef19898 6y ago

The AfD called to shoot migrants at the EU border. They retreated to the "only one person's personal opinion" after a harsh backlash. QAnon representatives are calling for the murder of Democrats. The same group advocates for brutal treatment of migrants, restrictions of freedom of choice for women, direct violence against muslims. I don't see any of this on the left side of the political spectrum. Also, when someone in a group voices radical opinions and calls for violence it represents the groups view when said group is not distancing itself from these views. Because if the group doesn't, the one person is just the group trying to find out how far they can go.

throwaway53453 6y ago
You don't see far left communists setting up autonomous zones and executing Trump supporters who come near?
- hef19898 6y ago
  No, I don't. And please stop spreading outright lies. And posting inflammatory comments, a look at the guidelines wouldn't hurt neither.
  - throwaway53453 6y ago
    What are the CHAZ and new George Floyd autonomous zones then? How are people declaring themselves an independent 'commune' _not communist? How many people died in and around of those zones? Maybe my comment was inflammatory, but there is evidence for the underlying point I'm making.
curiousgeorgio 6y ago
I appreciate you proving my point about extremist outliers, the ones who don't represent the majority of either side, yet receive all the media attention (and association with whichever side is currently being vilified). > when someone in a group voices radical opinions and calls for violence it represents the groups view when said group is not distancing itself from these views When "the other side" has an interest in associating you with extremists and refuses to listen to you repeatedly denounce the actions of those extremists, there's nothing you can do to convince them otherwise. Again, the demagoguery and parallels to the McCarthy era are troubling.
- hef19898 6y ago
  On case of the AfD it is rather Mccarthy's old outfit deciding to treat his new one as a threat. The Verfassungsschutz, the German federal interior secret service, decided to watch the whole party as threat for democracy. The Verfassungsschutz was headed by a certain Mr. Maaßen who is now touting right wing conspiracies i social media. The minister responsible for the agency once prouded himself of deporting 69 Afghans on his 69s birthday. Ajd they are treating the AfD as a right wing extremist group now. Should tell you something. Or not.
Viliam1234 6y ago
> I don't see any of this on the left side of the political spectrum. So, like, when someone tweets "kill all men", no one on the left says: relax, it was obviously just a joke! Also, Valerie Solanas and Donna Hylton never existed, or at least were never considered heroes by the left.