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There are usually two steps here: 1. Declare people who disagree with you fascists 2. Declare that it's impossible to dialogue with fascists Then it all becom

by smsm42 6y ago

There are usually two steps here: 1. Declare people who disagree with you fascists 2. Declare that it's impossible to dialogue with fascists Then it all becomes very easy.

k4c9x 6y ago
No, it's: 1. Declare people that want a fascists form of government fascists 2. there is no 2. It's not word play, it's just facts.
- ttt0 6y ago
  You mean like corporatism? I don't think I ever saw anyone arguing for that besides left-wingers. Not explicitly at least. Or do you mean fascist as a slur, ie. anything I don't like?
  - lamp987 6y ago
    Corporatism isnt argued for by leftists. Far left especially generally strongly opposes class collaboration. So much so that Stalin declared Social democrats "social fascists" (see wiki article, its quite funny how retarded it is).
  - albedoa 6y ago
    Are those really the only two meanings of fascism you can think of.
- smsm42 6y ago
  Not sure what you mean by "fascists form of government"? Something like Italy in 1924-1945? I don't think there's any political power that advocates anything like that, and I am sure that at least 99.999% of daily use of terms "fascist" and similar ones are not directed at people who advocate appointing Il Duce and advocating government after Mussolini's example.
  - ncallaway 6y ago
    Well there was just an attempt by the ex president to overturn the results of an election and install himself as the president contrary to the expressed will of the people. Maybe that’s what they meant by “fascist form of government”?
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      Technically, that would be a coup (more specifically and auto-coup). That's bad enough. The fear is that it would lead to a dictatorship, which is worse. Whether it's fascism or not would depend on the specific policies of that illegitimately-installed government. So, if "that's what they mean", they're mis-using the term.
    - smsm42 6y ago
      > Well there was just an attempt by the ex president to overturn the results of an election and install himself Just as there was an attempt by a presidential candidate to overturn the results of an election and install himself in 2000. And many times before. Challenging election results is not something unusual, it happens all the time. And will undoubtedly happen again. There's nothing "fascist" in using free speech and court system to try and prove there were election fraud (or miscount, or whatever the next candidate could think of). That's why we have the court system, so they have their chance to prove their case. > Maybe that’s what they meant by “fascist form of government”? Except nobody tried to change the form of government. So either we already have the fascist form of government right now, or trying to prove, using existing form of government, that you were - by existing laws - the rightfully elected candidate - can not be seen as advocating "fascist form of government".
ulucs 6y ago
We should unironically taboo the words fascist (unless referring to 30's Italy), nazi (unless referring to third reich), communist (unless they propose a People's Republic) and socialist (not really referring to anything, but the word has become an ad hom at this point) to have any kind of healthy political debate. It is cowardly to hide behind those words and not say what you actually mean
- XorNot 6y ago
  There are literally Nazi flags flying at rallies of Nazi's in America. They have literally killed people. If it looks like a Nazi, espouses Nazi beliefs, and says it's a Nazi, it's a god damn Nazi.

by smsm42 6y ago

There are usually two steps here: 1. Declare people who disagree with you fascists 2. Declare that it's impossible to dialogue with fascists Then it all becomes very easy.

k4c9x 6y ago

No, it's: 1. Declare people that want a fascists form of government fascists 2. there is no 2. It's not word play, it's just facts.

ttt0 6y ago
You mean like corporatism? I don't think I ever saw anyone arguing for that besides left-wingers. Not explicitly at least. Or do you mean fascist as a slur, ie. anything I don't like?
- lamp987 6y ago
  Corporatism isnt argued for by leftists. Far left especially generally strongly opposes class collaboration. So much so that Stalin declared Social democrats "social fascists" (see wiki article, its quite funny how retarded it is).
- albedoa 6y ago
  Are those really the only two meanings of fascism you can think of.
smsm42 6y ago
Not sure what you mean by "fascists form of government"? Something like Italy in 1924-1945? I don't think there's any political power that advocates anything like that, and I am sure that at least 99.999% of daily use of terms "fascist" and similar ones are not directed at people who advocate appointing Il Duce and advocating government after Mussolini's example.
- ncallaway 6y ago
  Well there was just an attempt by the ex president to overturn the results of an election and install himself as the president contrary to the expressed will of the people. Maybe that’s what they meant by “fascist form of government”?
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Technically, that would be a coup (more specifically and auto-coup). That's bad enough. The fear is that it would lead to a dictatorship, which is worse. Whether it's fascism or not would depend on the specific policies of that illegitimately-installed government. So, if "that's what they mean", they're mis-using the term.
  - smsm42 6y ago
    > Well there was just an attempt by the ex president to overturn the results of an election and install himself Just as there was an attempt by a presidential candidate to overturn the results of an election and install himself in 2000. And many times before. Challenging election results is not something unusual, it happens all the time. And will undoubtedly happen again. There's nothing "fascist" in using free speech and court system to try and prove there were election fraud (or miscount, or whatever the next candidate could think of). That's why we have the court system, so they have their chance to prove their case. > Maybe that’s what they meant by “fascist form of government”? Except nobody tried to change the form of government. So either we already have the fascist form of government right now, or trying to prove, using existing form of government, that you were - by existing laws - the rightfully elected candidate - can not be seen as advocating "fascist form of government".

ulucs 6y ago

We should unironically taboo the words fascist (unless referring to 30's Italy), nazi (unless referring to third reich), communist (unless they propose a People's Republic) and socialist (not really referring to anything, but the word has become an ad hom at this point) to have any kind of healthy political debate. It is cowardly to hide behind those words and not say what you actually mean

XorNot 6y ago
There are literally Nazi flags flying at rallies of Nazi's in America. They have literally killed people. If it looks like a Nazi, espouses Nazi beliefs, and says it's a Nazi, it's a god damn Nazi.