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because gamedev programmers are getting slowly shadowed by "scripters" since videogame industry is VERY lucrative, it attracts plenty of non-programmers and yo

because gamedev programmers are getting slowly shadowed by "scripters" since videogame industry is VERY lucrative, it attracts plenty of non-programmers and you are exactly doing what a scripter would do: "baahhh programming is daunting, can you give me some interface where i can click on things pls?"

analognoise 6y ago
I've heard that videogame programmers have some of the absolute worst salaries and work the longest hours and have a huge burnout issue because there's always another warm body who wants to work on games. In fact I think this is the first time I've ever heard anything positive about it without a laundry list of caveats. There have even been stories here about devs being threatened by fans, iirc.
- joshgoldman 6y ago
  Give some respect. You sound like a hater and jealous of game devs.
jbluepolarbear 6y ago
Do you know any game developers? Because that’s just not true. People use the tools required for their job. What do you mean by “scripters”? Do you mean designers building gameplay systems out of the building blocks made by seasoned, experienced engineers so they can make fun games and not worry about the bare-metal stuff?
meheleventyone 6y ago
I've been a professional game programmer for the last 16 years and this is a pretty wrong headed and naïve point of view. Let's preface things by saying there is nothing wrong with raylib or the approach where you write everything yourself. But vanishingly few games were made without other tools in particular tools to help with spatial layout and data entry. Have you tried setting up a moderately complex set of blend trees in a state machine for animation in text? This is more significant the more data driven your engine, in particular with modern composable entities a text only view of the world becomes very hard to understand quite quickly. All more featured IDEs give you is a set of modifiable tools that you don't need to write yourself. The view that there is a distinction between scripters and programmers is also poisonous. It's antagonistic and sows division when making a game is a team sport. "Scripting" is also nothing new and scripting languages for game development are almost as old as games themselves. We're all just laying out logic to get the computer to do things. Whether that's using a visual language to setup game levels and AI, or text to sort and submit render jobs. Some of the better gameplay engineers I know actually started programming in scripting languages for games. Building tools at the right level for people to do their jobs is basically a good 80% of a programmers job in game development.

analognoise 6y ago

I've heard that videogame programmers have some of the absolute worst salaries and work the longest hours and have a huge burnout issue because there's always another warm body who wants to work on games. In fact I think this is the first time I've ever heard anything positive about it without a laundry list of caveats. There have even been stories here about devs being threatened by fans, iirc.

joshgoldman 6y ago
Give some respect. You sound like a hater and jealous of game devs.

jbluepolarbear 6y ago

Do you know any game developers? Because that’s just not true. People use the tools required for their job. What do you mean by “scripters”? Do you mean designers building gameplay systems out of the building blocks made by seasoned, experienced engineers so they can make fun games and not worry about the bare-metal stuff?

meheleventyone 6y ago

I've been a professional game programmer for the last 16 years and this is a pretty wrong headed and naïve point of view. Let's preface things by saying there is nothing wrong with raylib or the approach where you write everything yourself. But vanishingly few games were made without other tools in particular tools to help with spatial layout and data entry. Have you tried setting up a moderately complex set of blend trees in a state machine for animation in text? This is more significant the more data driven your engine, in particular with modern composable entities a text only view of the world becomes very hard to understand quite quickly. All more featured IDEs give you is a set of modifiable tools that you don't need to write yourself. The view that there is a distinction between scripters and programmers is also poisonous. It's antagonistic and sows division when making a game is a team sport. "Scripting" is also nothing new and scripting languages for game development are almost as old as games themselves. We're all just laying out logic to get the computer to do things. Whether that's using a visual language to setup game levels and AI, or text to sort and submit render jobs. Some of the better gameplay engineers I know actually started programming in scripting languages for games. Building tools at the right level for people to do their jobs is basically a good 80% of a programmers job in game development.