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I empathize with you, but from the other side. I got a Mac at work while being on Linux for a long time; and the differences in keyboard combos are driving me m

by kova12 6y ago

I empathize with you, but from the other side. I got a Mac at work while being on Linux for a long time; and the differences in keyboard combos are driving me mad, so much that I don't even use said Mac anymore. The differences in keyboard layout are so unnecessary from technical point. The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem. Whoever got that going deserves get a swift kick in the nuts for every time I missed a key due to that nonsense

favorited 6y ago
> The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem Or maybe Mac users have had that keyboard layout for decades and are happy with it? Anyone who really wants a Windows-style layout could just change their own anyway, so people must not be that bothered.
kergonath 6y ago
> The differences in keyboard layout are so unnecessary from technical point. The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem. Surely you’re aware that these keyboard shortcuts have been in use on Macs for about a decade before Linux existed, right?
- jamienicol 6y ago
  That's the same argument Emacs developers use to justify alt (sorry, "meta") + w as copy. But it's a terrible argument. (In the Mac case at least using cmd+c is superior, and even works in Emacs!)
  - kergonath 6y ago
    The main difference is that command-c makes sense ;)
  - PascLeRasc 6y ago
    Is that the default meta key? If so then thanks. I've had a really hard time getting that info from emacs users so I haven't been able to try it.
    - Zarel 6y ago
      Meta is usually Alt in emacs, but it should be noted that everywhere else, Meta usually refers to Super (which is called "Cmd" in Macs and "Windows Logo Key" in Windows). (And macOS's built-in emacs keybindings available in every textbox uses ctrl+opt for meta.)
spiralx 6y ago
I dislike using Macs for the same reason, when I had one for work I managed to use Karabiner to remap a ton of shortcuts to at least make it tolerable. And by tolerable, I mean "only cursing at the OS every minute or so rather than on every second keyboard combo attempted".

by kova12 6y ago

favorited 6y ago

> The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem Or maybe Mac users have had that keyboard layout for decades and are happy with it? Anyone who really wants a Windows-style layout could just change their own anyway, so people must not be that bothered.

kergonath 6y ago

> The differences in keyboard layout are so unnecessary from technical point. The only reason for them to exist is to lock people into the corresponding ecosystem. Surely you’re aware that these keyboard shortcuts have been in use on Macs for about a decade before Linux existed, right?

jamienicol 6y ago
That's the same argument Emacs developers use to justify alt (sorry, "meta") + w as copy. But it's a terrible argument. (In the Mac case at least using cmd+c is superior, and even works in Emacs!)
- kergonath 6y ago
  The main difference is that command-c makes sense ;)
- PascLeRasc 6y ago
  Is that the default meta key? If so then thanks. I've had a really hard time getting that info from emacs users so I haven't been able to try it.
  - Zarel 6y ago
    Meta is usually Alt in emacs, but it should be noted that everywhere else, Meta usually refers to Super (which is called "Cmd" in Macs and "Windows Logo Key" in Windows). (And macOS's built-in emacs keybindings available in every textbox uses ctrl+opt for meta.)

spiralx 6y ago

I dislike using Macs for the same reason, when I had one for work I managed to use Karabiner to remap a ton of shortcuts to at least make it tolerable. And by tolerable, I mean "only cursing at the OS every minute or so rather than on every second keyboard combo attempted".