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> Of course green card holders have a separate id card that they legally must carry with them at all times It is utterly beyond me to guess how such a system c

> Of course green card holders have a separate id card that they legally must carry with them at all times It is utterly beyond me to guess how such a system can possibly make any sort of meaningful difference to law enforcement. Or even how it can be enforced in any meaningful way.

davchana 6y ago
Specially when law enforcement is not supposed to ask about immigration status unless one can't produce any ID or have probable cause.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  Here's how that will go down: OFFICER: what is your immigration status, Sir? IMMIGRANT (thinking fast): uhh, er, pure blooded, Sir! OFFICER: on your way then, young lad! I can't ask for your id because you don't need one. Have a nice day. Not likely they can catch someone out unless they literally have his picture in hand. In which case, he obviously has bigger problems then not having his id card on him...
  - jermaustin1 6y ago
    About 8 years ago my wife and I were driving to Vegas from Houston. Its basically 2 roads, I-10 from Houston to Phoenix and then some shitty state highway between Phoenix and Vegas. Along I-10, we were stopped 5 different times at immigration checkpoints and asked a single word question "American?" and sent on our way. Our final stop was on the bypass bridge next to the Hoover Dam, same single word question, except this time, they required our IDs and asked for passports. My wife and I are US Citizens, and at the time had no passports. Mine had expired around the year 2000, and she had never had one. Trying to explain that to some asshole hassling us felt impossible. After 15 minutes of us pulled to the side, they brought our licenses back to us and sent us on our way. We never drove to Vegas again.
    - marshmallow_12 6y ago
      I wonder how many illegals the first 4 checkpoints managed to nab. I'm not sure how it's possible to manage there things without bothering some innocents.
refurb 6y ago
It's pretty much not enforced. And a replacement card is $500+ and months of wait, so I don't blame anyone for not carry it. My friend just carried a copy of the card - not sufficient to meet the requirements of the law, but probably enough to satisfy any initial inquiries until you can get your physical card.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  500 dollars? That's highway robbery! Minimum wage is about $8, so some poor guys have to fork out well over a weeks wages for a piece of plastic. U sure it's 500 and not 50?
  - refurb 6y ago
    https://www.uscis.gov/i-90 https://www.uscis.gov/i-90 $540 total fee "if your card is lost or stolen."
  - alasdair_ 6y ago
    It cost me almost $3000 in fees to get my green card. That’s direct fees, no lawyers or anything.

davchana 6y ago

Specially when law enforcement is not supposed to ask about immigration status unless one can't produce any ID or have probable cause.

marshmallow_12 6y ago
Here's how that will go down: OFFICER: what is your immigration status, Sir? IMMIGRANT (thinking fast): uhh, er, pure blooded, Sir! OFFICER: on your way then, young lad! I can't ask for your id because you don't need one. Have a nice day. Not likely they can catch someone out unless they literally have his picture in hand. In which case, he obviously has bigger problems then not having his id card on him...
- jermaustin1 6y ago
  About 8 years ago my wife and I were driving to Vegas from Houston. Its basically 2 roads, I-10 from Houston to Phoenix and then some shitty state highway between Phoenix and Vegas. Along I-10, we were stopped 5 different times at immigration checkpoints and asked a single word question "American?" and sent on our way. Our final stop was on the bypass bridge next to the Hoover Dam, same single word question, except this time, they required our IDs and asked for passports. My wife and I are US Citizens, and at the time had no passports. Mine had expired around the year 2000, and she had never had one. Trying to explain that to some asshole hassling us felt impossible. After 15 minutes of us pulled to the side, they brought our licenses back to us and sent us on our way. We never drove to Vegas again.
  - marshmallow_12 6y ago
    I wonder how many illegals the first 4 checkpoints managed to nab. I'm not sure how it's possible to manage there things without bothering some innocents.

refurb 6y ago

It's pretty much not enforced. And a replacement card is $500+ and months of wait, so I don't blame anyone for not carry it. My friend just carried a copy of the card - not sufficient to meet the requirements of the law, but probably enough to satisfy any initial inquiries until you can get your physical card.

marshmallow_12 6y ago
500 dollars? That's highway robbery! Minimum wage is about $8, so some poor guys have to fork out well over a weeks wages for a piece of plastic. U sure it's 500 and not 50?
- refurb 6y ago
  https://www.uscis.gov/i-90 https://www.uscis.gov/i-90 $540 total fee "if your card is lost or stolen."
- alasdair_ 6y ago
  It cost me almost $3000 in fees to get my green card. That’s direct fees, no lawyers or anything.