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Except... it ends up being a non-reviewable blacklist that most people don't even know exists. What safeguards are there so that a grouchy driver or engineer c

by _jal 6y ago

Except... it ends up being a non-reviewable blacklist that most people don't even know exists. What safeguards are there so that a grouchy driver or engineer can't use it to mess with their ex? For instance.

ceejayoz 6y ago
I would imagine there's a review process for allegations already.
zeronine 6y ago
I assume there is safeguards. But for the same reason these lists aren't public, their policies aren't either.
- _jal 6y ago
  Well, I think people tend to assume there were safeguards in place for things like this, too. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20041207/1958200.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20041207/1958200.shtml Doing these things in the dark almost always leads to abuse.
- cwkoss 6y ago
  https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:1 https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:1:::::: (PS: what is going on with all these colons in their urls?)
  - rhizome 6y ago
    For URLs like that the answer is usually either "Java" or "Microsoft."
drstewart 6y ago
>What safeguards are there so that a grouchy driver or engineer can't use it to mess with their ex? For instance. Not gonna say it's perfect, but as an engineer at one of these companies I'll say production access is generally very locked down and audited to the point of often being quite an encumbrance to even be able to debug production issues. Very unlikely anyone will be willy-nilly blacklisting drivers over personal vendettas.
- nullc 6y ago
  The conspiracy theories never end. Next they're going to say there is some 'god view' built into the uber code allowing executives to track and retaliate against journalists that annoy them!
  - rootsudo 6y ago
    Which...was..proven true: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view-uber-allegedly-stalked-users-for-party-goers-viewing-pleasure/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view...
    - jzoch 6y ago
      he was being facetious :)
      - nullc 6y ago
        HN is the best straight man.
cwkoss 6y ago
It seems like you may be talking about the no-fly list (which I think is controlled by FBI's TSC with some partnership with DHS) while GP may have been talking about NTSB/FAA safety sharing programs. I suspect NTSB/FAA are much more effective at correcting bad info than no-fly list which is managed by people who like to think they are fighting so much evil the harms of their policies are justified.

by _jal 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago

I would imagine there's a review process for allegations already.

zeronine 6y ago

I assume there is safeguards. But for the same reason these lists aren't public, their policies aren't either.

_jal 6y ago
Well, I think people tend to assume there were safeguards in place for things like this, too. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20041207/1958200.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20041207/1958200.shtml Doing these things in the dark almost always leads to abuse.
cwkoss 6y ago
https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:1 https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:1:::::: (PS: what is going on with all these colons in their urls?)
- rhizome 6y ago
  For URLs like that the answer is usually either "Java" or "Microsoft."

drstewart 6y ago

>What safeguards are there so that a grouchy driver or engineer can't use it to mess with their ex? For instance. Not gonna say it's perfect, but as an engineer at one of these companies I'll say production access is generally very locked down and audited to the point of often being quite an encumbrance to even be able to debug production issues. Very unlikely anyone will be willy-nilly blacklisting drivers over personal vendettas.

nullc 6y ago
The conspiracy theories never end. Next they're going to say there is some 'god view' built into the uber code allowing executives to track and retaliate against journalists that annoy them!
- rootsudo 6y ago
  Which...was..proven true: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view-uber-allegedly-stalked-users-for-party-goers-viewing-pleasure/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view...
  - jzoch 6y ago
    he was being facetious :)
    - nullc 6y ago
      HN is the best straight man.

cwkoss 6y ago

It seems like you may be talking about the no-fly list (which I think is controlled by FBI's TSC with some partnership with DHS) while GP may have been talking about NTSB/FAA safety sharing programs. I suspect NTSB/FAA are much more effective at correcting bad info than no-fly list which is managed by people who like to think they are fighting so much evil the harms of their policies are justified.