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This is something to keep in mind with all TLDs really. They're not all created equal and can be subject to rules specific to their operators. Have to do your h

This is something to keep in mind with all TLDs really. They're not all created equal and can be subject to rules specific to their operators. Have to do your homework before you buy that cute domain.

matsemann 6y ago
Which OP didn't do multiple times and got his purchased annulled. But hopefully in the future, heh.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
Like how many UK businesses and individuals had to give up their .eu domain name after leaving the EU.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  I'm really surprised they didn't do the logical thing and grandfather all existing domains in when the UK left the EU. It seems like the policy was simply designed to frustrate as many people as possible for no real gain for the EU.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    It could be a fraud prevention and accidental legal misrepresentation defense mechanism to take away the .eu domains from the UK. If you go to a .eu domain and buy something you would expect not to be subject to import duties etc.
  - tialaramex 6y ago
    The EU continues to control .eu because it is available only to EU citizens. Nothing changed. Your surprise exactly reflects the typical beliefs of a Brexit supporter, you thought the idea is you get to keep all the benefits you had before, and also you get rid of any downsides you didn't like, and somehow it's the EU's job to help you achieve this after you leave. That didn't make any sense in 2016, and it still didn't make any sense in 2020, and so unsurprisingly here we are in 2021 and it isn't what happened. "We told you so" is boring but it's true. We told you so.
    - rendall 6y ago
      Harsh. But fair.
    - londons_explore 6y ago
      But this policy doesn't make sense for the EU either. They lose domain registration revenue. Thousands companies migrating to a new domain name will lead to confusion for EU citizens too, etc. It just seems like a case of "we want it to be as painful as possible for you, even if we have to take a bit of additional pain for us too".
      - zimpenfish 6y ago
        > They lose domain registration revenue. But in the other scenario, they now have to deal with support queries ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), possibly legal action ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), etc.
        alwayseasy 6y ago
        A British business suing the EU in an EU court about a contract that explicitly says for EU members? Wouldn't go far.
        zimpenfish 6y ago
        > about a contract that explicitly says for EU members ...which would have some British businesses grandfathered in and therefore have a loophole that some enterprising lawyer can no doubt make a great deal of hay with.
      - Uberphallus 6y ago
        > They lose domain registration revenue. I think only micronations have a significant revenue coming from tlds (e.g. Tuvalu)
      - hedora 6y ago
        They maintain sovereignty though. That’s more important than domain registration revenue. If I somehow owned tax.gov, and was running a tax prep service from it, I doubt the “I’m grandfathered” argument would fly. It’s likely similar to lawyers.eu (I made that domain up), etc; people should be able to expect that to be an EU based service, not something overseas.
  - zahllos 6y ago
    .eu domain usage isn't that high, I don't think. I only have anecdata from my time in the UK, but .co.uk appears to be "the" domain to have in the UK. From what I've seen the same is true on the continent. .fr and .de for example are highly popular in France and Germany. You rarely see local business reaching for .eu domains. According to wikipedia, the number of affected domains is 344,584. Also compared to wiki there are 11M .uk domains and 16.5M .de domains. According to EurID[0] there are 3.7M .eu domains [0]: https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/ https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/
- sigio 6y ago
  Just a matter of getting a TTP / Intermediary to hold the domain for you in the EU, same as for the local presence requirements in for example .no(rway) and many other TLD's. It's just another $10-20/year and fixes your 'problem' Many domain registrars will offer this service, as 90+% of their clients will need it for these ccTLD's.
swiley 6y ago
The most fun TLD is .su Someone on IRC managed to register "kremvax.su" a few years ago and gave anyone in the channel who wanted them email addresses (so I briefly had swiley@kremvax.su for example.) Unfortunately the were asked for some documentation they couldn't provide a few months later and it got shut down.
bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
Notion is frequently blocked because notion.so is a Somalian domain. Not really sure what they were thinking there...

matsemann 6y ago

Which OP didn't do multiple times and got his purchased annulled. But hopefully in the future, heh.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

Like how many UK businesses and individuals had to give up their .eu domain name after leaving the EU.

londons_explore 6y ago
I'm really surprised they didn't do the logical thing and grandfather all existing domains in when the UK left the EU. It seems like the policy was simply designed to frustrate as many people as possible for no real gain for the EU.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  It could be a fraud prevention and accidental legal misrepresentation defense mechanism to take away the .eu domains from the UK. If you go to a .eu domain and buy something you would expect not to be subject to import duties etc.
- tialaramex 6y ago
  The EU continues to control .eu because it is available only to EU citizens. Nothing changed. Your surprise exactly reflects the typical beliefs of a Brexit supporter, you thought the idea is you get to keep all the benefits you had before, and also you get rid of any downsides you didn't like, and somehow it's the EU's job to help you achieve this after you leave. That didn't make any sense in 2016, and it still didn't make any sense in 2020, and so unsurprisingly here we are in 2021 and it isn't what happened. "We told you so" is boring but it's true. We told you so.
  - rendall 6y ago
    Harsh. But fair.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    But this policy doesn't make sense for the EU either. They lose domain registration revenue. Thousands companies migrating to a new domain name will lead to confusion for EU citizens too, etc. It just seems like a case of "we want it to be as painful as possible for you, even if we have to take a bit of additional pain for us too".
    - zimpenfish 6y ago
      > They lose domain registration revenue. But in the other scenario, they now have to deal with support queries ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), possibly legal action ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), etc.
      - alwayseasy 6y ago
        A British business suing the EU in an EU court about a contract that explicitly says for EU members? Wouldn't go far.
        zimpenfish 6y ago
        > about a contract that explicitly says for EU members ...which would have some British businesses grandfathered in and therefore have a loophole that some enterprising lawyer can no doubt make a great deal of hay with.
    - Uberphallus 6y ago
      > They lose domain registration revenue. I think only micronations have a significant revenue coming from tlds (e.g. Tuvalu)
    - hedora 6y ago
      They maintain sovereignty though. That’s more important than domain registration revenue. If I somehow owned tax.gov, and was running a tax prep service from it, I doubt the “I’m grandfathered” argument would fly. It’s likely similar to lawyers.eu (I made that domain up), etc; people should be able to expect that to be an EU based service, not something overseas.
- zahllos 6y ago
  .eu domain usage isn't that high, I don't think. I only have anecdata from my time in the UK, but .co.uk appears to be "the" domain to have in the UK. From what I've seen the same is true on the continent. .fr and .de for example are highly popular in France and Germany. You rarely see local business reaching for .eu domains. According to wikipedia, the number of affected domains is 344,584. Also compared to wiki there are 11M .uk domains and 16.5M .de domains. According to EurID[0] there are 3.7M .eu domains [0]: https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/ https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/
sigio 6y ago
Just a matter of getting a TTP / Intermediary to hold the domain for you in the EU, same as for the local presence requirements in for example .no(rway) and many other TLD's. It's just another $10-20/year and fixes your 'problem' Many domain registrars will offer this service, as 90+% of their clients will need it for these ccTLD's.

swiley 6y ago

The most fun TLD is .su Someone on IRC managed to register "kremvax.su" a few years ago and gave anyone in the channel who wanted them email addresses (so I briefly had swiley@kremvax.su for example.) Unfortunately the were asked for some documentation they couldn't provide a few months later and it got shut down.

bobbylarrybobby 6y ago

Notion is frequently blocked because notion.so is a Somalian domain. Not really sure what they were thinking there...