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There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/ https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must relate to "In

There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/ https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software located within the territory of Kazakhstan. I think the OP is OK as it appears the IP addresses of both the A and MX records are located within Kazakhstan, but something to be aware of if you think registering a .kz is a fun idea(!) :-)

pull_my_finger 6y ago
This is something to keep in mind with all TLDs really. They're not all created equal and can be subject to rules specific to their operators. Have to do your homework before you buy that cute domain.
- matsemann 6y ago
  Which OP didn't do multiple times and got his purchased annulled. But hopefully in the future, heh.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  Like how many UK businesses and individuals had to give up their .eu domain name after leaving the EU.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    I'm really surprised they didn't do the logical thing and grandfather all existing domains in when the UK left the EU. It seems like the policy was simply designed to frustrate as many people as possible for no real gain for the EU.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      It could be a fraud prevention and accidental legal misrepresentation defense mechanism to take away the .eu domains from the UK. If you go to a .eu domain and buy something you would expect not to be subject to import duties etc.
    - tialaramex 6y ago
      The EU continues to control .eu because it is available only to EU citizens. Nothing changed. Your surprise exactly reflects the typical beliefs of a Brexit supporter, you thought the idea is you get to keep all the benefits you had before, and also you get rid of any downsides you didn't like, and somehow it's the EU's job to help you achieve this after you leave. That didn't make any sense in 2016, and it still didn't make any sense in 2020, and so unsurprisingly here we are in 2021 and it isn't what happened. "We told you so" is boring but it's true. We told you so.
      - rendall 6y ago
        Harsh. But fair.
      - londons_explore 6y ago
        But this policy doesn't make sense for the EU either. They lose domain registration revenue. Thousands companies migrating to a new domain name will lead to confusion for EU citizens too, etc. It just seems like a case of "we want it to be as painful as possible for you, even if we have to take a bit of additional pain for us too".
        zimpenfish 6y ago
        > They lose domain registration revenue. But in the other scenario, they now have to deal with support queries ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), possibly legal action ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), etc.
        alwayseasy 6y ago
        A British business suing the EU in an EU court about a contract that explicitly says for EU members? Wouldn't go far.
        zimpenfish 6y ago
        > about a contract that explicitly says for EU members ...which would have some British businesses grandfathered in and therefore have a loophole that some enterprising lawyer can no doubt make a great deal of hay with.
    - zahllos 6y ago
      .eu domain usage isn't that high, I don't think. I only have anecdata from my time in the UK, but .co.uk appears to be "the" domain to have in the UK. From what I've seen the same is true on the continent. .fr and .de for example are highly popular in France and Germany. You rarely see local business reaching for .eu domains. According to wikipedia, the number of affected domains is 344,584. Also compared to wiki there are 11M .uk domains and 16.5M .de domains. According to EurID[0] there are 3.7M .eu domains [0]: https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/ https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/
  - sigio 6y ago
    Just a matter of getting a TTP / Intermediary to hold the domain for you in the EU, same as for the local presence requirements in for example .no(rway) and many other TLD's. It's just another $10-20/year and fixes your 'problem' Many domain registrars will offer this service, as 90+% of their clients will need it for these ccTLD's.
- swiley 6y ago
  The most fun TLD is .su Someone on IRC managed to register "kremvax.su" a few years ago and gave anyone in the channel who wanted them email addresses (so I briefly had swiley@kremvax.su for example.) Unfortunately the were asked for some documentation they couldn't provide a few months later and it got shut down.
- bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
  Notion is frequently blocked because notion.so is a Somalian domain. Not really sure what they were thinking there...
dmitriid 6y ago
> There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/ https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software located within the territory of Kazakhstan. Any country TLD is a potential risk that most western "entrepreneurs" blissfully ignore. Just a month ago notion.so had troubles with it's domain because .so belongs to Somalia, and Somalia changed some rules around registration and ownership [1] The same, really, goes for Tonga's http://dev.to http://dev.to, Libya's http://bit.ly http://bit.ly or Greenland's http://goo.gl http://goo.gl... [1] https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1360239738020634629 https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1360239738020634629
- worldofmatthew 6y ago
  Aka why I mainly stick with .com
  - belval 6y ago
    The issue it that a lot of .com are taken so for the sake of a personal email address it is not ideal. The person that owns "belval.com" literally registered it before I was born so I settled for "belval.org", "belval.me", "belv.al" but only the first one is accepted by most company.
    - davchana 6y ago
      Exactly, I too had to use .net & .us, because.com was registered in 1995.
    - SavantIdiot 6y ago
      All 4-letter .com's were taken as of 2013. https://whoapi.com/blog/we-are-out-of-4-letter-com-domains/ https://whoapi.com/blog/we-are-out-of-4-letter-com-domains/ I wonder how long until all 5- and 6- letter are gone.
    - vxNsr 6y ago
      My last name ends in al but the domain is taken. The .com one is taken by a guy who’s using it to showcase his Holocaust family tree (oddly enough his son had a run in with my sis a while back). I tried reaching out to him to see if he was interested in taking like .org but he’s not :( so I got .me
Theory5 6y ago
I learned some countries have things like this after an article last month where someone traced an IP range used by palor or another organization like that to a country with similar rules, and filed a complaint with the company that leased it, who revoked the range. (Going from memory here, sorry if I'm getting things wrong). Especially given Ive heard some of these TLDs are cheaper to encourage their use, people who want to run services on these should be careful even if enforcement is often lax or nonexistent until a complaint is filed.
SavantIdiot 6y ago
Uh oh. How do I find rules for other domains? I went a little batty with the .de domain years ago and have quite a few. But, I'm not in Germany. While there is a mild ethical cringe at doing this, am I running afoul of some rules that might actually bite me later?
- taneliv 6y ago
  In general, Wikipedia has some starting points for all ccTLDs, for example for .de here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.de https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.de The information on Wikipedia itself is mostly descriptive, while the registry website or other external links should have the actual rules and restrictions.
- jorams 6y ago
  I find Gandi to have pretty thorough information on all TLDs they offer. The page for .de[1] lists one rule to keep in mind. [1]: https://www.gandi.net/en-GB/domain/tld/de https://www.gandi.net/en-GB/domain/tld/de

pull_my_finger 6y ago

This is something to keep in mind with all TLDs really. They're not all created equal and can be subject to rules specific to their operators. Have to do your homework before you buy that cute domain.

matsemann 6y ago
Which OP didn't do multiple times and got his purchased annulled. But hopefully in the future, heh.
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
Like how many UK businesses and individuals had to give up their .eu domain name after leaving the EU.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  I'm really surprised they didn't do the logical thing and grandfather all existing domains in when the UK left the EU. It seems like the policy was simply designed to frustrate as many people as possible for no real gain for the EU.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    It could be a fraud prevention and accidental legal misrepresentation defense mechanism to take away the .eu domains from the UK. If you go to a .eu domain and buy something you would expect not to be subject to import duties etc.
  - tialaramex 6y ago
    The EU continues to control .eu because it is available only to EU citizens. Nothing changed. Your surprise exactly reflects the typical beliefs of a Brexit supporter, you thought the idea is you get to keep all the benefits you had before, and also you get rid of any downsides you didn't like, and somehow it's the EU's job to help you achieve this after you leave. That didn't make any sense in 2016, and it still didn't make any sense in 2020, and so unsurprisingly here we are in 2021 and it isn't what happened. "We told you so" is boring but it's true. We told you so.
    - rendall 6y ago
      Harsh. But fair.
    - londons_explore 6y ago
      But this policy doesn't make sense for the EU either. They lose domain registration revenue. Thousands companies migrating to a new domain name will lead to confusion for EU citizens too, etc. It just seems like a case of "we want it to be as painful as possible for you, even if we have to take a bit of additional pain for us too".
      - zimpenfish 6y ago
        > They lose domain registration revenue. But in the other scenario, they now have to deal with support queries ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), possibly legal action ("why can they have a .eu when I can't?"), etc.
        alwayseasy 6y ago
        A British business suing the EU in an EU court about a contract that explicitly says for EU members? Wouldn't go far.
        zimpenfish 6y ago
        > about a contract that explicitly says for EU members ...which would have some British businesses grandfathered in and therefore have a loophole that some enterprising lawyer can no doubt make a great deal of hay with.
  - zahllos 6y ago
    .eu domain usage isn't that high, I don't think. I only have anecdata from my time in the UK, but .co.uk appears to be "the" domain to have in the UK. From what I've seen the same is true on the continent. .fr and .de for example are highly popular in France and Germany. You rarely see local business reaching for .eu domains. According to wikipedia, the number of affected domains is 344,584. Also compared to wiki there are 11M .uk domains and 16.5M .de domains. According to EurID[0] there are 3.7M .eu domains [0]: https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/ https://eurid.eu/en/welcome-to-eurid/statistics/
- sigio 6y ago
  Just a matter of getting a TTP / Intermediary to hold the domain for you in the EU, same as for the local presence requirements in for example .no(rway) and many other TLD's. It's just another $10-20/year and fixes your 'problem' Many domain registrars will offer this service, as 90+% of their clients will need it for these ccTLD's.
swiley 6y ago
The most fun TLD is .su Someone on IRC managed to register "kremvax.su" a few years ago and gave anyone in the channel who wanted them email addresses (so I briefly had swiley@kremvax.su for example.) Unfortunately the were asked for some documentation they couldn't provide a few months later and it got shut down.
bobbylarrybobby 6y ago
Notion is frequently blocked because notion.so is a Somalian domain. Not really sure what they were thinking there...

dmitriid 6y ago

> There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/ https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software located within the territory of Kazakhstan. Any country TLD is a potential risk that most western "entrepreneurs" blissfully ignore. Just a month ago notion.so had troubles with it's domain because .so belongs to Somalia, and Somalia changed some rules around registration and ownership [1] The same, really, goes for Tonga's http://dev.to http://dev.to, Libya's http://bit.ly http://bit.ly or Greenland's http://goo.gl http://goo.gl... [1] https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1360239738020634629 https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1360239738020634629

worldofmatthew 6y ago
Aka why I mainly stick with .com
- belval 6y ago
  The issue it that a lot of .com are taken so for the sake of a personal email address it is not ideal. The person that owns "belval.com" literally registered it before I was born so I settled for "belval.org", "belval.me", "belv.al" but only the first one is accepted by most company.
  - davchana 6y ago
    Exactly, I too had to use .net & .us, because.com was registered in 1995.
  - SavantIdiot 6y ago
    All 4-letter .com's were taken as of 2013. https://whoapi.com/blog/we-are-out-of-4-letter-com-domains/ https://whoapi.com/blog/we-are-out-of-4-letter-com-domains/ I wonder how long until all 5- and 6- letter are gone.
  - vxNsr 6y ago
    My last name ends in al but the domain is taken. The .com one is taken by a guy who’s using it to showcase his Holocaust family tree (oddly enough his son had a run in with my sis a while back). I tried reaching out to him to see if he was interested in taking like .org but he’s not :( so I got .me

Theory5 6y ago

I learned some countries have things like this after an article last month where someone traced an IP range used by palor or another organization like that to a country with similar rules, and filed a complaint with the company that leased it, who revoked the range. (Going from memory here, sorry if I'm getting things wrong). Especially given Ive heard some of these TLDs are cheaper to encourage their use, people who want to run services on these should be careful even if enforcement is often lax or nonexistent until a complaint is filed.

SavantIdiot 6y ago

Uh oh. How do I find rules for other domains? I went a little batty with the .de domain years ago and have quite a few. But, I'm not in Germany. While there is a mild ethical cringe at doing this, am I running afoul of some rules that might actually bite me later?

taneliv 6y ago
In general, Wikipedia has some starting points for all ccTLDs, for example for .de here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.de https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.de The information on Wikipedia itself is mostly descriptive, while the registry website or other external links should have the actual rules and restrictions.
jorams 6y ago
I find Gandi to have pretty thorough information on all TLDs they offer. The page for .de[1] lists one rule to keep in mind. [1]: https://www.gandi.net/en-GB/domain/tld/de https://www.gandi.net/en-GB/domain/tld/de