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I think you may expect way too much from such a simple website

by tester34 6y ago

emodendroket 6y ago
Supporting Unicode characters is too much?
- scbrg 6y ago
  Supporting Unicode characters comes with a set of complications that you may want to address, as, for instance the infamous HTML-parsing with regex rant shows. As soon as you start trying to address those, the simple problem suddenly grows quite a lot in scope.
  - enriquto 6y ago
    Notice that HN already does support unicode: α β γ é ö 本 It actively filters out a small part of it, mostly emojis (which I think that it is a good thing to do).
    - xPaw 6y ago
      Is HN actually filtering these, or they use utf8 in mysql which is famously not full utf8mb4?
      - capableweb 6y ago
        Hah, you think HN would use something mainstream like mysql?! I don't blame you. But HN is 100% custom software, and built with it's own programming language as well, Arc (on Racket). AFAIK, HN still runs on files-as-a-db. You could check out the source here: http://arclanguage.org/install http://arclanguage.org/install
        enriquto 6y ago
        Why "still" ? Is there anything wrong in using the filesystem as a database when it suits to do so ?
        capableweb 6y ago
        Nope, I'm not implying it's bad, just that they used to do that and they still do that to this day. I have nothing against storing data in files. In fact, I do that all the time myself too.
        KorfmannArno 6y ago
        Don't databases also store data in files or am I missing the point?
        capableweb 6y ago
        Yes, ultimately they do (usually) and yes, you are missing the point. "filesystem as a database" is not referring to database software that stores the data on disk but rather that the application is directly interacting with the filesystem. Imagine dumping a JSON document to disk, then reading it from disk, compared to storing a JSON string in a DB. Sure, they are both backed by the disk, but one is not "filesystem as a DB".
        gus_massa 6y ago
        That release is quite outdated. They added a lot of stuff to filter spam, voting ring detectors, and other moderation stuff. Anyway, as far as I know, everything is still saved to the file system.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - Biganon 6y ago
      I find this trend of despising emojis quite pretentious and annoying. They are very useful in some circumstances. Acting like anyone using them is a dumb teenager, or they will automatically ruin a community, is completely absurd.
      - vmception 6y ago
        Its Gen X and you know it They don’t know it, but the rest of us do Its not a trend its out of touch old people that dont know they’re out of touch old people yet
    - emodendroket 6y ago
      What exactly are we afraid will happen if someone uses an emoji instead of typing :) ?
      - enriquto 6y ago
        it's not really a big deal. Just like not allowing bold or colored text in the comments.
monstersinF 6y ago
I am very thankful that it’s not supported
- corobo 6y ago
  Lets just use punycode, it can be the new l33t xn--g28h
- Symbiote 6y ago
  I think it would be acceptable to support emojis, but set the font to use the black/white ones rather than colour. That removes most of the distraction. At present, this can be done by following any emoji character with the text variant selector, U+FE0E [1] (the example works perfectly on Firefox on KDE). Later, it will be possible with CSS [2]. [1] https://mts.io/2015/04/21/unicode-symbol-render-text-emoji/ https://mts.io/2015/04/21/unicode-symbol-render-text-emoji/ [2] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-fonts-4/#font-variant-emoji-prop https://drafts.csswg.org/css-fonts-4/#font-variant-emoji-pro...

I think you may expect way too much from such a simple website

emodendroket 6y ago

Supporting Unicode characters is too much?

scbrg 6y ago
Supporting Unicode characters comes with a set of complications that you may want to address, as, for instance the infamous HTML-parsing with regex rant shows. As soon as you start trying to address those, the simple problem suddenly grows quite a lot in scope.
- enriquto 6y ago
  Notice that HN already does support unicode: α β γ é ö 本 It actively filters out a small part of it, mostly emojis (which I think that it is a good thing to do).
  - xPaw 6y ago
    Is HN actually filtering these, or they use utf8 in mysql which is famously not full utf8mb4?
    - capableweb 6y ago
      Hah, you think HN would use something mainstream like mysql?! I don't blame you. But HN is 100% custom software, and built with it's own programming language as well, Arc (on Racket). AFAIK, HN still runs on files-as-a-db. You could check out the source here: http://arclanguage.org/install http://arclanguage.org/install
      - enriquto 6y ago
        Why "still" ? Is there anything wrong in using the filesystem as a database when it suits to do so ?
        capableweb 6y ago
        Nope, I'm not implying it's bad, just that they used to do that and they still do that to this day. I have nothing against storing data in files. In fact, I do that all the time myself too.
        KorfmannArno 6y ago
        Don't databases also store data in files or am I missing the point?
        capableweb 6y ago
        Yes, ultimately they do (usually) and yes, you are missing the point. "filesystem as a database" is not referring to database software that stores the data on disk but rather that the application is directly interacting with the filesystem. Imagine dumping a JSON document to disk, then reading it from disk, compared to storing a JSON string in a DB. Sure, they are both backed by the disk, but one is not "filesystem as a DB".
      - gus_massa 6y ago
        That release is quite outdated. They added a lot of stuff to filter spam, voting ring detectors, and other moderation stuff. Anyway, as far as I know, everything is still saved to the file system.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - Biganon 6y ago
    I find this trend of despising emojis quite pretentious and annoying. They are very useful in some circumstances. Acting like anyone using them is a dumb teenager, or they will automatically ruin a community, is completely absurd.
    - vmception 6y ago
      Its Gen X and you know it They don’t know it, but the rest of us do Its not a trend its out of touch old people that dont know they’re out of touch old people yet
  - emodendroket 6y ago
    What exactly are we afraid will happen if someone uses an emoji instead of typing :) ?
    - enriquto 6y ago
      it's not really a big deal. Just like not allowing bold or colored text in the comments.

monstersinF 6y ago

I am very thankful that it’s not supported

corobo 6y ago
Lets just use punycode, it can be the new l33t xn--g28h
Symbiote 6y ago
I think it would be acceptable to support emojis, but set the font to use the black/white ones rather than colour. That removes most of the distraction. At present, this can be done by following any emoji character with the text variant selector, U+FE0E [1] (the example works perfectly on Firefox on KDE). Later, it will be possible with CSS [2]. [1] https://mts.io/2015/04/21/unicode-symbol-render-text-emoji/ https://mts.io/2015/04/21/unicode-symbol-render-text-emoji/ [2] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-fonts-4/#font-variant-emoji-prop https://drafts.csswg.org/css-fonts-4/#font-variant-emoji-pro...