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This raises a wild thought exercise for me. Barring any similarities to a Pay Day loan. Would you use a service like this for your own annual salary? What could

This raises a wild thought exercise for me. Barring any similarities to a Pay Day loan. Would you use a service like this for your own annual salary? What could you do with the lump sum that you would otherwise have trouble accomplishing?

vineyardmike 6y ago
I would consider this on an occasional basis (eg example 1 once a lifetime). You could (for example) buy a house by using the money as a down payment. Useful if the timing of lease ending/buy opportunities don’t line up with savings schedule. Smaller opportunities for house renovations or remodels etc. You could invest that cash flow up front. 2020 was a very profitable year in the stock market... especially if you invested after Feb 20th. You’d make more money than if you invested in 24 chunks bimonthly. So if you had this service you could make some money when you see an opportunity (also risky). “Time value of money”. On the smaller scale, you could use a similar advance service to semi-monthly buy bulk food purchases if you typically don’t make enough to afford big shopping trips. Not everyone is wealthy, and being poor is expensive. Being able to buy food you know you use in bulk will be cheaper per meal, you just need enough in your checking account to afford that one big expense.
- doovd 6y ago
  > You could invest that cash flow up front. 2020 was a very profitable year in the stock market Yes, investing borrowed money is an excellent idea. /s
  - Nbox9 6y ago
    That really depends on the interest rate, your familiarity with the investments, your debt/asset ratio and your expected ROI. I would argue every mortgage, real estate loan and small business loan is borrowing money to invest.
    - doovd 6y ago
      Meh, stock market is mostly a casino for the retail investor. If you told the bank you want a loan to pop in the stock market they'd reject you rightly so :-)
  - jacurtis 6y ago
    Well a lot of professional investing is done on margin. Which is a fancy term for "borrowed money".
  - vineyardmike 6y ago
    I wouldn't do it.. probably. But if i (for example) invested 20% of my salary normally, and then one day the market totally crashed, i might consider it if i had the opportunity too borrow all20% of my upcoming yearly salary to invest in a dip instead of trickling that 20% over the year while the recovering market eats my gains. But yeah trying to game the market typically isn't advised. But also, if you know what you're doing and you can afford the losses, then let people make their own financial decisions.

vineyardmike 6y ago

I would consider this on an occasional basis (eg example 1 once a lifetime). You could (for example) buy a house by using the money as a down payment. Useful if the timing of lease ending/buy opportunities don’t line up with savings schedule. Smaller opportunities for house renovations or remodels etc. You could invest that cash flow up front. 2020 was a very profitable year in the stock market... especially if you invested after Feb 20th. You’d make more money than if you invested in 24 chunks bimonthly. So if you had this service you could make some money when you see an opportunity (also risky). “Time value of money”. On the smaller scale, you could use a similar advance service to semi-monthly buy bulk food purchases if you typically don’t make enough to afford big shopping trips. Not everyone is wealthy, and being poor is expensive. Being able to buy food you know you use in bulk will be cheaper per meal, you just need enough in your checking account to afford that one big expense.

doovd 6y ago
> You could invest that cash flow up front. 2020 was a very profitable year in the stock market Yes, investing borrowed money is an excellent idea. /s
- Nbox9 6y ago
  That really depends on the interest rate, your familiarity with the investments, your debt/asset ratio and your expected ROI. I would argue every mortgage, real estate loan and small business loan is borrowing money to invest.
  - doovd 6y ago
    Meh, stock market is mostly a casino for the retail investor. If you told the bank you want a loan to pop in the stock market they'd reject you rightly so :-)
- jacurtis 6y ago
  Well a lot of professional investing is done on margin. Which is a fancy term for "borrowed money".
- vineyardmike 6y ago
  I wouldn't do it.. probably. But if i (for example) invested 20% of my salary normally, and then one day the market totally crashed, i might consider it if i had the opportunity too borrow all20% of my upcoming yearly salary to invest in a dip instead of trickling that 20% over the year while the recovering market eats my gains. But yeah trying to game the market typically isn't advised. But also, if you know what you're doing and you can afford the losses, then let people make their own financial decisions.