> When you say calc-heavy, you are speaking about just cranking the wheel or number crunching? There's a clear disconnect here: in my Swiss, CS undergrad calcu

> When you say calc-heavy, you are speaking about just cranking the wheel or number crunching? There's a clear disconnect here: in my Swiss, CS undergrad calculus classes (1st and 2nd year), nothing was remotely as mechanical as those two choices. That (practice in hard math problem solving, not mechanical application of techniques) is probably what the grandparent is missing.