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> Like how much actual permanent storage is required for the most toxic substance humans have ever tried to store, ... Huh really? Didn't know nuclear waste c

> Like how much actual permanent storage is required for the most toxic substance humans have ever tried to store, ... Huh really? Didn't know nuclear waste contains botox! Sorry for the glib answer, but this is the biggest problem with anti-nuclear sentiments. Phrases like "most toxic substance" or "perpetual risks" doesn't mean much unless you quantify exactly how much of this toxic substance we're talking about. Botox is 320,000 times more toxic than plutonium (according to Wikipedia), and we inject it under our skin.

bamboozled 6y ago
Your lips won't melt off and die if you inject botox under your skin though.
- fuoqi 6y ago
  Have your lips melted down from the last banana which you have ate? Or from water which you have drunk? Surprise! The former contains noticeable amount of radioactive potassium-40 and the latter contains radioactive tritium.
  - bamboozled 6y ago
    But you know that it's different.
    - fuoqi 6y ago
      How so? Same as with botox what matters is concentration. And public fear of radiation is significantly overblown compared to what is logically warranted. We can see this induced fear at work in Fukushima, where they can't dump into ocean water which was filtered from all radioactive isotopes but tritium, even though its concentration is relatively small. For example, if you dump all this water into ocean, it's calculated that in one year an average Japanese will get a dose equal to 0.8 µSv, which is approximately equal to how much you regularly get from natural sources in just 3 hours. If anything I think that heavy metal poisoning is much more dangerous and nasty. I am quite sure that it has caused orders of magnitudes more damage to the world's population than all human-created radiation combined (not counting the US nuclear bombing of Japan). But you don't hear much about it compared to the damage caused by radiation, do you?
      - bamboozled 6y ago
        No, people aren’t allowed to return to parts of Fukushima due to contamination. It’s ruined fishing industries because no one wants to buy food from the area.
wokwokwok 6y ago
Oh come on~ This is classic someone-else’s-problem thinking: if you create waste that will exist in a highly toxic form for thousands of years, where radioactive containment is necessary... Then the cost of that waste is effort to store * life time. Botox is an organic compound that can be disposed of after treating with simple chemicals, and decomposes naturally after a trivial amount of time. You know what the recommended cleaning instructions for a Botox spill are? Spray the surface with sodium hypochlorite and then spray it down after 30 minutes. So. Tell me again how Botox is worse than nuclear waste? Remind me how “Phrases like "most toxic substance" or "perpetual risks" doesn't mean much...?” This is complete BS, and it is the problem with the pro-nuclear sentiment: waving your hands and talking BS doesn’t make the problems disappear. Wanting nuclear waste and nuclear accidents not to be a thing doesn’t make them not be a thing. Wanting something to be true and it actually being true. Are. Not. The. Same. Thing. So... there’s plenty of good stuff about nuclear, but taking about it like this isn’t helping.

bamboozled 6y ago

Your lips won't melt off and die if you inject botox under your skin though.

fuoqi 6y ago
Have your lips melted down from the last banana which you have ate? Or from water which you have drunk? Surprise! The former contains noticeable amount of radioactive potassium-40 and the latter contains radioactive tritium.
- bamboozled 6y ago
  But you know that it's different.
  - fuoqi 6y ago
    How so? Same as with botox what matters is concentration. And public fear of radiation is significantly overblown compared to what is logically warranted. We can see this induced fear at work in Fukushima, where they can't dump into ocean water which was filtered from all radioactive isotopes but tritium, even though its concentration is relatively small. For example, if you dump all this water into ocean, it's calculated that in one year an average Japanese will get a dose equal to 0.8 µSv, which is approximately equal to how much you regularly get from natural sources in just 3 hours. If anything I think that heavy metal poisoning is much more dangerous and nasty. I am quite sure that it has caused orders of magnitudes more damage to the world's population than all human-created radiation combined (not counting the US nuclear bombing of Japan). But you don't hear much about it compared to the damage caused by radiation, do you?
    - bamboozled 6y ago
      No, people aren’t allowed to return to parts of Fukushima due to contamination. It’s ruined fishing industries because no one wants to buy food from the area.

wokwokwok 6y ago

Oh come on~ This is classic someone-else’s-problem thinking: if you create waste that will exist in a highly toxic form for thousands of years, where radioactive containment is necessary... Then the cost of that waste is effort to store * life time. Botox is an organic compound that can be disposed of after treating with simple chemicals, and decomposes naturally after a trivial amount of time. You know what the recommended cleaning instructions for a Botox spill are? Spray the surface with sodium hypochlorite and then spray it down after 30 minutes. So. Tell me again how Botox is worse than nuclear waste? Remind me how “Phrases like "most toxic substance" or "perpetual risks" doesn't mean much...?” This is complete BS, and it is the problem with the pro-nuclear sentiment: waving your hands and talking BS doesn’t make the problems disappear. Wanting nuclear waste and nuclear accidents not to be a thing doesn’t make them not be a thing. Wanting something to be true and it actually being true. Are. Not. The. Same. Thing. So... there’s plenty of good stuff about nuclear, but taking about it like this isn’t helping.