> Everyone else sloppily copied the Toyota manufacturing system without understanding the fundamental mindset is what makes it work not the secondary processes

> Everyone else sloppily copied the Toyota manufacturing system without understanding the fundamental mindset is what makes it work not the secondary processes that enable that mindset. So they got a bunch of technical jargon and bs and none of the benifits because they failed to incorporate the culture that made it successful. Not true, just because they cannot deliver on the same results as Toyota has doesn't mean its been a failure on their part. Having spent a large part of my career in the Auto Industry, QA/QC is very hard and most FAANG types will never understand the difficulty of shipping Hardware and assume eveything is as easy as software while negating that most apps that shipped are buggy pieces of crap, that also end up in Hardware in cars-- I personally handled the BMW ECU recall and then went back to VW to handle DieselGate, both which were software related issues with DIRE consequences. Prior to that my role was focused on the TAKATA at BMW for their airbag recall, which was way more straight forward as it was hardware only. With that said, Toyota isn't perfect by any stretch of imagination, just look at Prius chat to get an idea of what their hybrid program (designed in California) resulted when it met with the older exec Japanese bigwig class. It's quite abysmal in certain ways, luckily just like Tesla the owners are true diehards and love their cars and have made repairs and modifications to keep them on the road. And CA is once again facing a massive catalytic converter thefts, especially in the bay area, that may take more off the road and itno junk yards. With that said, I can sum up Toyota with the following: they're (by thier own admission) a boring and reliable car company that got gets more right than wrong, but are hardly perfect despite what Six Sigma-Lean course on Kaizen may have forced you/me/anyone in the Industry else to believe. I'm a fan and own(ed) several Toyotas throughout the years, but mainly due to their work in the 90s and early 2000s, modern Toyota is showing its age and arrogance with its refusal to jump onboard with EV and cling to ICE designs which is already causing a great deal of issues; hybrid technology has already been max capacity and with less design inputs due to forced standardization across all platforms they won't have a radical improvement to compete with EV. They can't seem the break the ~50 MPG mark they did in 2004 with their 2nd gen Prius, which was ground breaking at the time but is entirely absurd in market shifting more and more toward EV, specifically Tesla due to their Supercharger networks. Also, a part of them died when they put a Supra bade on a Z3 chassis, I don't care about it much as I think the LFA was what the Supra was supposed to be but never delivered that single F1 race win, but it was a sad day to see how far the mighty had fallen.