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We do. Our stack is a fairly standard Java app on an oracle dB. Seems to work well enough. We couldn't get the app to work with azure and aws is a no go (we ha

We do. Our stack is a fairly standard Java app on an oracle dB. Seems to work well enough. We couldn't get the app to work with azure and aws is a no go (we have retail clients)

Aperocky 6y ago
Were you affected? Wondering if your DNS is setup separately then you wouldn't be affected by whatever mishap that happened to Oracle's own DNS.
- geogra4 6y ago
  We were not, oddly enough. I can't speak in too much detail since I'm not on that team but our region was included so we may just have been lucky
sanderjd 6y ago
Sorry I'm out of the loop: why does "we have retail clients" mean "aws is a no go".
- candiddevmike 6y ago
  Retailers like wal mart supposedly demand their partners and suppliers to not use AWS.
  - rubin55 6y ago
    Can confirm, did large projects at huge retailer, AWS was cursed, anything but AWS, spoken by execs through clenched teeth.
  - grecy 6y ago
    and to clarify on the above reply, it's widely suspected that Amazon snoop at data hosted on AWS, so they can make/sell competing products that are selling well based on what they learn from snooping. So basically any business that makes or sells anything that Amazon may possibly make or sell in the future doesn't want to touch AWS.
    - gketuma 6y ago
      Pretty much this: https://twitter.com/Shopify/status/1367929509354299392 https://twitter.com/Shopify/status/1367929509354299392
    - sofixa 6y ago
      That cannot possibly be true. Do you imagine the fallout if it came out ( and how would in not, thousands of people would have passed through, one disgruntled employee is enough) ? AWS would lose most customers within a few years, Amazon.com as well ( disgusted buyers and sellers), there'd be lawsuit everywhere. I really don't think anyone in Amazon is stupid enough to risk a trillion dollar business for some potential competitive advantage on whatever sold on Amazon.com
      - purerandomness 6y ago
        Amazon has regularly launched products with their "Amazon Basics" brand, copying well-selling 3rd-party products sold on Amazon.com, always a few bucks cheaper. [1] What makes you think it would be different with AWS? [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-scooped-up-data-from-its-own-sellers-to-launch-competing-products-11587650015 https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-scooped-up-data-from-its...
        KptMarchewa 6y ago
        Are you really comparing making knockoff products with stealing their consumers data?
        purerandomness 6y ago
        I doubt that actually looking into EC2 instances (which AWS would never do, "pinkie promise") would even be necessary. Metadata about the company's deployed infrastructure would totally suffice to derive enough business insights to launch a "knockoff product", as you call it.
      - perryizgr8 6y ago
  - LinuxBender 6y ago
    Can also confirm, a percentage of our customers see Amazon as a fighting word. They conflate the store with AWS. The store is their competitor.
  - sanderjd 6y ago
    Ah I get it, because of a different part of Amazon being a competitor. Interesting!
rk06 6y ago
can you tell me what issue you were facing with Azure?

We do. Our stack is a fairly standard Java app on an oracle dB. Seems to work well enough. We couldn't get the app to work with azure and aws is a no go (we have retail clients)

Aperocky 6y ago

Were you affected? Wondering if your DNS is setup separately then you wouldn't be affected by whatever mishap that happened to Oracle's own DNS.

geogra4 6y ago
We were not, oddly enough. I can't speak in too much detail since I'm not on that team but our region was included so we may just have been lucky

sanderjd 6y ago

Sorry I'm out of the loop: why does "we have retail clients" mean "aws is a no go".

candiddevmike 6y ago
Retailers like wal mart supposedly demand their partners and suppliers to not use AWS.
- rubin55 6y ago
  Can confirm, did large projects at huge retailer, AWS was cursed, anything but AWS, spoken by execs through clenched teeth.
- grecy 6y ago
  and to clarify on the above reply, it's widely suspected that Amazon snoop at data hosted on AWS, so they can make/sell competing products that are selling well based on what they learn from snooping. So basically any business that makes or sells anything that Amazon may possibly make or sell in the future doesn't want to touch AWS.
  - gketuma 6y ago
    Pretty much this: https://twitter.com/Shopify/status/1367929509354299392 https://twitter.com/Shopify/status/1367929509354299392
  - sofixa 6y ago
    That cannot possibly be true. Do you imagine the fallout if it came out ( and how would in not, thousands of people would have passed through, one disgruntled employee is enough) ? AWS would lose most customers within a few years, Amazon.com as well ( disgusted buyers and sellers), there'd be lawsuit everywhere. I really don't think anyone in Amazon is stupid enough to risk a trillion dollar business for some potential competitive advantage on whatever sold on Amazon.com
    - purerandomness 6y ago
      Amazon has regularly launched products with their "Amazon Basics" brand, copying well-selling 3rd-party products sold on Amazon.com, always a few bucks cheaper. [1] What makes you think it would be different with AWS? [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-scooped-up-data-from-its-own-sellers-to-launch-competing-products-11587650015 https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazon-scooped-up-data-from-its...
      - KptMarchewa 6y ago
        Are you really comparing making knockoff products with stealing their consumers data?
        purerandomness 6y ago
        I doubt that actually looking into EC2 instances (which AWS would never do, "pinkie promise") would even be necessary. Metadata about the company's deployed infrastructure would totally suffice to derive enough business insights to launch a "knockoff product", as you call it.
    - perryizgr8 6y ago
- LinuxBender 6y ago
  Can also confirm, a percentage of our customers see Amazon as a fighting word. They conflate the store with AWS. The store is their competitor.
- sanderjd 6y ago
  Ah I get it, because of a different part of Amazon being a competitor. Interesting!

rk06 6y ago

can you tell me what issue you were facing with Azure?