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I thought the same and bought an Apple TV. That thing sucks. Turns out, Roku is way better. With respect to "terrible built-in apps", Apple TV has plenty of th

by nawgz 6y ago

I thought the same and bought an Apple TV. That thing sucks. Turns out, Roku is way better. With respect to "terrible built-in apps", Apple TV has plenty of those. Netflix, Twitch, sports apps, streaming apps, all way better and more usable on the Roku than the Apple TV. Even after all this time with Apple TV remote, the UX is terrible even if the remote is decent

setpatchaddress 6y ago
Genuine question: what's better about the Netflix app? Haven't used Roku. Seems decent on Apple TV. What really sucks on Apple TV is the YouTube app. It may be Google's single least competent publicly available software engineering. edited to clarify question
- nawgz 6y ago
  > what's better about the Netflix app I can use it with the same remote as I turn my TV on with. In all honesty, these things all are just feature parity, they perform the exact same between the two devices, but I really feel like the UX of fast-forwarding, rewinding etc is completely MIA on Apple TV and therefore it isn't really superior to the native applications, despite the $200 price point
  - nomel 6y ago
    > I can use it with the same remote as I turn my TV on with. Any modern TV will let the connected turn it on and off with HDMI-CEC. For Apple TV, you just use the volume or whatever button to turn it on, then hold the home button and tap sleep to turn it off. Roku supports this, too.
    - nawgz 6y ago
      Haha, sure, thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I hate using the Apple TV remote, so I’ll stick to the classic UX on my roku remote
- nickthegreek 6y ago
  I loathe the Apple TV remote. The Roku remote is my fav although I currently use a shield pro which has been great.
  - robbiep 6y ago
    If you have an I-device use the remote on that. iPhone controlling Apple TV is delightful (even allows 1pass access to passwords for accounts)
- TheCoelacanth 6y ago
  You've obviously never tried GMail in Firefox, though that's probably intentional.
  - ipaddr 6y ago
    It makes gmail look bad not firefox. I've moved away from gmail based mainly around performance.
ubermonkey 6y ago
Man, I completely feel the other way. I've played with Fire Sticks and Rokus and other devices, and they all seem like UX nightmares compared to the AppleTV platform.
- nawgz 6y ago
  That's super interesting. Can you tell me this, no snark: how the hell do you fast forward or rewind on Apple TV?
  - vulcan01 6y ago
    You don't! Watch the whole movie, mate! In any case, here's an article on how to do it: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-fast-forward-on-apple-tv?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-fast-forward-on-apple... (as a side note: isn't it sad that you had to ask this question? why isn't the button on the remote? or at least discoverable? or at the bare minimum part of an on-screen tutorial when you turn on Apple TV for the first time?)
  - ubermonkey 6y ago
    With the touchy part of the remote, on top? Also, fwiw, UX isn't the only reason I prefer the ATV. E.g.: - Doesn't Roku track usage for ads and whatnot, or is that just a rumor? - There's also how well it integrates with everything else. When I go to a search screen, I can use my phone's keyboard to type. AppleMusic is right there, plus I can easily stream from my in-house library (which, admittedly, I almost never bother doing since signing up for Apple Music). I can throw my laptop screen on the TV if I want. Of course, all of this requires being in the Apple ecosystem, but I happen to be in that ecosystem.
    - nawgz 6y ago
      >With the touchy part Yeah, I get that, but like... What swipe gesture do I use? Maybe the apps I've used that on somehow implemented it badly but I completely fail to scrub thru > Roku track usage for ads Probably true, I'm a bit defeated in this domain > Apple integrations Yeah, I do like to stream my laptop to my TV sometimes, but once I realized that Roku natively could handle Twitch, sports apps, and streaming apps I have almost never had a use case for doing that
cvwright 6y ago
I have also been surprised at how terrible the Apple TV is. The PBS Kids app is super buggy. It randomly decides to start playing the audio from its home screen over whatever show my kid is trying to watch. And Emby, which works great on Roku and on iOS, looks great on Apple TV but fails at actually playing videos.

by nawgz 6y ago

setpatchaddress 6y ago

Genuine question: what's better about the Netflix app? Haven't used Roku. Seems decent on Apple TV. What really sucks on Apple TV is the YouTube app. It may be Google's single least competent publicly available software engineering. edited to clarify question

nawgz 6y ago
> what's better about the Netflix app I can use it with the same remote as I turn my TV on with. In all honesty, these things all are just feature parity, they perform the exact same between the two devices, but I really feel like the UX of fast-forwarding, rewinding etc is completely MIA on Apple TV and therefore it isn't really superior to the native applications, despite the $200 price point
- nomel 6y ago
  > I can use it with the same remote as I turn my TV on with. Any modern TV will let the connected turn it on and off with HDMI-CEC. For Apple TV, you just use the volume or whatever button to turn it on, then hold the home button and tap sleep to turn it off. Roku supports this, too.
  - nawgz 6y ago
    Haha, sure, thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I hate using the Apple TV remote, so I’ll stick to the classic UX on my roku remote
nickthegreek 6y ago
I loathe the Apple TV remote. The Roku remote is my fav although I currently use a shield pro which has been great.
- robbiep 6y ago
  If you have an I-device use the remote on that. iPhone controlling Apple TV is delightful (even allows 1pass access to passwords for accounts)
TheCoelacanth 6y ago
You've obviously never tried GMail in Firefox, though that's probably intentional.
- ipaddr 6y ago
  It makes gmail look bad not firefox. I've moved away from gmail based mainly around performance.

ubermonkey 6y ago

Man, I completely feel the other way. I've played with Fire Sticks and Rokus and other devices, and they all seem like UX nightmares compared to the AppleTV platform.

nawgz 6y ago
That's super interesting. Can you tell me this, no snark: how the hell do you fast forward or rewind on Apple TV?
- vulcan01 6y ago
  You don't! Watch the whole movie, mate! In any case, here's an article on how to do it: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-fast-forward-on-apple-tv?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-fast-forward-on-apple... (as a side note: isn't it sad that you had to ask this question? why isn't the button on the remote? or at least discoverable? or at the bare minimum part of an on-screen tutorial when you turn on Apple TV for the first time?)
- ubermonkey 6y ago
  With the touchy part of the remote, on top? Also, fwiw, UX isn't the only reason I prefer the ATV. E.g.: - Doesn't Roku track usage for ads and whatnot, or is that just a rumor? - There's also how well it integrates with everything else. When I go to a search screen, I can use my phone's keyboard to type. AppleMusic is right there, plus I can easily stream from my in-house library (which, admittedly, I almost never bother doing since signing up for Apple Music). I can throw my laptop screen on the TV if I want. Of course, all of this requires being in the Apple ecosystem, but I happen to be in that ecosystem.
  - nawgz 6y ago
    >With the touchy part Yeah, I get that, but like... What swipe gesture do I use? Maybe the apps I've used that on somehow implemented it badly but I completely fail to scrub thru > Roku track usage for ads Probably true, I'm a bit defeated in this domain > Apple integrations Yeah, I do like to stream my laptop to my TV sometimes, but once I realized that Roku natively could handle Twitch, sports apps, and streaming apps I have almost never had a use case for doing that

cvwright 6y ago

I have also been surprised at how terrible the Apple TV is. The PBS Kids app is super buggy. It randomly decides to start playing the audio from its home screen over whatever show my kid is trying to watch. And Emby, which works great on Roku and on iOS, looks great on Apple TV but fails at actually playing videos.