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Bolt was fast when he was 10 years old, and probably was still naturally fast when he was 21. After any injuries though, it's likely he started peds. I was the

Bolt was fast when he was 10 years old, and probably was still naturally fast when he was 21. After any injuries though, it's likely he started peds. I was the strongest man in one of the Bay Area gyms for a while, all natural, but essentially that was the focus of my day for several years while I worked at home (next door to the gym) and I had 10 hours of sleep nitely. I went to a natural bobybulding conference once and all the pros were staring at me - I was huge. So it can be done while you're young, but under perfect conditions and until you get injured.

spaetzleesser 6y ago
From what I know you can go pretty far without PED but good genetics. But in world class everybody has good genetics and if some of them use PED you can't beat them without. So my rule is that if people in the world top 10 get caught taking something then the other guys (especially the number 1) must be on something too. Worked with Lance Armstrong who constantly beat guys who afterwards got caught. Just curious: How big were you? Did other people in your gym take stuff?
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > So my rule is that if people in the world top 10 Sure. Most of the time that's true. However you can go a long way in your 20s if you don't get injured and you maximize the benefits of sleep, water, massage and scheduling. And let me say it again, don't get injured! :) > How big were you? Junior sumo weight. I know from the dust on certain weights that nobody ever unracked those except me. A misconception is that roids are the most important thing, but nutrition/insulin are equally important, if not more. Mr. Olympias eat 10,000+ calories per day, some size monsters do 20,000 calories per day. They tend to blow out their pancreas though. I'm sure people in the gym used both. I mean, come on. A lot of my exercises were coincidentally the same as Arnold's (concentration curls), etc. that nobody else does now, so I would max out curl bars with 10x reps. (See Pumping Iron for great clips.) I was able to work in with pros (often the front desk would tell me as I was leaving, "Hey, you worked in with so-and-so.") Shrug. :) People (ok, dudes) in airports would walk up to me and start feeling my biceps. I was planning to do the Inch dumbbell lift, but never got around to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Inch#The_'Thomas_Inch'_dumbbell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Inch#The_'Thomas_Inch'_... An interesting Russian technique is not to overload muscles to exhaustion so you can do more days. (I did 3x per week for a decade, but the Russian method could be 14x per week with less intensity.) Anyway, just some natural tips and anecdotes. Note that if you want to enter powerlifting competitions, the bench "starts" at 350 pounds, so that should be your goal if it's not just a hobby.

spaetzleesser 6y ago

From what I know you can go pretty far without PED but good genetics. But in world class everybody has good genetics and if some of them use PED you can't beat them without. So my rule is that if people in the world top 10 get caught taking something then the other guys (especially the number 1) must be on something too. Worked with Lance Armstrong who constantly beat guys who afterwards got caught. Just curious: How big were you? Did other people in your gym take stuff?

redis_mlc 6y ago
> So my rule is that if people in the world top 10 Sure. Most of the time that's true. However you can go a long way in your 20s if you don't get injured and you maximize the benefits of sleep, water, massage and scheduling. And let me say it again, don't get injured! :) > How big were you? Junior sumo weight. I know from the dust on certain weights that nobody ever unracked those except me. A misconception is that roids are the most important thing, but nutrition/insulin are equally important, if not more. Mr. Olympias eat 10,000+ calories per day, some size monsters do 20,000 calories per day. They tend to blow out their pancreas though. I'm sure people in the gym used both. I mean, come on. A lot of my exercises were coincidentally the same as Arnold's (concentration curls), etc. that nobody else does now, so I would max out curl bars with 10x reps. (See Pumping Iron for great clips.) I was able to work in with pros (often the front desk would tell me as I was leaving, "Hey, you worked in with so-and-so.") Shrug. :) People (ok, dudes) in airports would walk up to me and start feeling my biceps. I was planning to do the Inch dumbbell lift, but never got around to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Inch#The_'Thomas_Inch'_dumbbell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Inch#The_'Thomas_Inch'_... An interesting Russian technique is not to overload muscles to exhaustion so you can do more days. (I did 3x per week for a decade, but the Russian method could be 14x per week with less intensity.) Anyway, just some natural tips and anecdotes. Note that if you want to enter powerlifting competitions, the bench "starts" at 350 pounds, so that should be your goal if it's not just a hobby.