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>You aren’t forced to buy an iPhone if you don’t want this. Other Android devices are also similarly bad to repair, with a locked Store and few have an support

>You aren’t forced to buy an iPhone if you don’t want this. Other Android devices are also similarly bad to repair, with a locked Store and few have an supported way to actually root them. The mobile market is not as diverse like car market or say web/cloud hosting market. We can't give Apple or Samsung an exception from warranty laws because "the user should buy X that offers warranty" , free market only works only if all the free market assumptions hold true.

zepto 6y ago
> with a locked Store and few have an supported way to actually root them This has nothing to do with repairability. > We can't give Apple or Samsung an exception from warranty laws We don’t, so it’s not clear why you’re even saying this.
- simion314 6y ago
  >We don’t, so it’s not clear why you’re even saying this. Because you demanded the user should chose if the wants a product with the "repairable" feature , so I assume your logic should be consistent and you would also like to have the option to say pay less and get an iPhone with no warranty. For some reasons we force warranty and IMO for the exact same reason we should for basic repair ability ( diagnostic software,schematics, parts and ability to remove the DRM) I hope this is more clear, we can talk about tractors or fridges so we can avoid the Apple bias.
  - zepto 6y ago
    > so I assume your logic should be consistent and you would also like to have the option to say pay less and get an iPhone with no warranty. What did I say that has anything to do with warranties? > For some reasons we force warranty This is just false. We don’t force warranties. Companies are free to sell products without warranties. Customers generally prefer warranties so companies provide them. > and IMO for the exact same reason we should for basic repair ability ( diagnostic software,schematics, parts and ability to remove the DRM) I hope this is more clear, It’s clear that your analogy is false. Customers want warranties so they choose products which have them. You mentioned earlier that android devices are as bad to repair, but that isn’t true either: https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ If customers want repairability they can have it. No need to force apple to do anything. > we can talk about tractors or fridges so we can avoid the Apple bias. Tractors and fridges are not like computers, this is a silly analogy.
    - simion314 6y ago
      Really? can you buy a phone or electronic device (new) that has say 1 month or less warranty in your country? In EU is is 2 years and you have the option to buy more I will disagree that computers are special, why should replacing a fan or changing the disk on my computer be only done by approved people or even worse I have to buy a new one?

zepto 6y ago

> with a locked Store and few have an supported way to actually root them This has nothing to do with repairability. > We can't give Apple or Samsung an exception from warranty laws We don’t, so it’s not clear why you’re even saying this.

simion314 6y ago
>We don’t, so it’s not clear why you’re even saying this. Because you demanded the user should chose if the wants a product with the "repairable" feature , so I assume your logic should be consistent and you would also like to have the option to say pay less and get an iPhone with no warranty. For some reasons we force warranty and IMO for the exact same reason we should for basic repair ability ( diagnostic software,schematics, parts and ability to remove the DRM) I hope this is more clear, we can talk about tractors or fridges so we can avoid the Apple bias.
- zepto 6y ago
  > so I assume your logic should be consistent and you would also like to have the option to say pay less and get an iPhone with no warranty. What did I say that has anything to do with warranties? > For some reasons we force warranty This is just false. We don’t force warranties. Companies are free to sell products without warranties. Customers generally prefer warranties so companies provide them. > and IMO for the exact same reason we should for basic repair ability ( diagnostic software,schematics, parts and ability to remove the DRM) I hope this is more clear, It’s clear that your analogy is false. Customers want warranties so they choose products which have them. You mentioned earlier that android devices are as bad to repair, but that isn’t true either: https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ If customers want repairability they can have it. No need to force apple to do anything. > we can talk about tractors or fridges so we can avoid the Apple bias. Tractors and fridges are not like computers, this is a silly analogy.
  - simion314 6y ago
    Really? can you buy a phone or electronic device (new) that has say 1 month or less warranty in your country? In EU is is 2 years and you have the option to buy more I will disagree that computers are special, why should replacing a fan or changing the disk on my computer be only done by approved people or even worse I have to buy a new one?