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No, no, no. Just kill DST. Noon should be about when the sun is highest in the sky, not 1pm. Sunrise and sunset math is so much easier if solar noon happens a
by px43 6y ago
No, no, no. Just kill DST.
Noon should be about when the sun is highest in the sky, not 1pm.
Sunrise and sunset math is so much easier if solar noon happens around clock noon too, because sunrise and sunset are equally distant from noon. If the Sunset is around 7pm, then sunrise will be at (12-7) 5am.
It makes no sense at all to have solar noon shifted one hour for the entire country, especially because for most of the world, solar noon happens around noon, for obvious reasons.
- echelon 6y ago> Noon should be about when the sun is highest in the sky, not 1pm. That's impossible to achieve across all latitudes and longitudes, and it's totally arbitrary and has zero benefit. Solar noon matters to precisely nobody. No one is looking at the sky to tell time. People want sunlight after work. They don't want to be depressed because they finish the day and it's dark outside. This benefits restaurants, retail, and many industries that thrive on increased leisure activity.
- jmwilson 6y ago> That's impossible to achieve across all latitudes and longitudes, and it's totally arbitrary and has zero benefit. > Solar noon matters to precisely nobody. No one is looking at the sky to tell time. That's why the OP said "about when the sun is highest" not "exactly when the sun is highest". And it matters if you like the idea of midday being at, well, the middle of the day. Deliberately adding another ~4% error on top of whatever is there because of arbitrary time zone boundaries, and things begin to add up and eventually you end up like Spain. > People want sunlight after work. They don't want to be depressed because they finish the day and it's dark outside. To state the obvious, changing the clocks doesn't change the amount of daylight available. As another commenter said, if we've learned anything from the pandemic, maybe it's that we can be flexible about work hours instead of warping our sense of time and the rhythm of the day because managers and office workers can't fathom the idea of seasonal work hours.
- pseudalopex 6y agoI understand why some people want more light in the morning. I understand why some people want more light in the evening. I don't understand why anyone would care when solar noon is.
- Talanes 6y agoBecause it's the traditional marker for midday. You said yourself that different people want light at different times of day, so trying to accommodate people's needs like that will always fail someone. Why not skew as close to traditional time as feasible, if all we need to do is agree on one standard?
- echelon 6y agoMore people want it later. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/poll-74-percent-of-americans-want-to-end-daylight-saving-time-but-keep-later-sunsets-300549400.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/poll-74-percent-of-...
- pseudalopex 6y agoYou seem to assume people's preferences are monotonic and average to solar time. Most people want more light in the evening. And most people say light before or after work is better than neither.
- NeutronStar 6y agoBut it's ok to be depressed because you don't get sunlight in the morning somehow?
- thehappypm 6y agoDid you know that DST is 2/3 of the year? If we're going to remove something, we should extend DST to 100%, not shrink it from 65% to 0%.
- pkulak 6y agoI don't see how more of a bad thing makes it good.
- thehappypm 6y agoYour problem is with your time zone, not with DST.
- pkulak 6y agoDST is the time zone I have a problem with. ;)
- glennpratt 6y agoStill, I'll take all DST over switching twice a year.
- 8note 6y agoUp north, is it noon all day during summer? Or does noon move around a whole bunch?
- globular-toast 6y agoYou're not alone in seeing the madness but it looks like it's a losing battle. I think fundamentally people can't disconnect themselves from the clock on the wall. The day starts around 09:00 and ends around 17:00. You can only start work at 08:00 if the clock is set to 09:00 and you can only leave at 16:00 if the clock says 17:00. Apparently everyone believes that everyone else is too dumb to just get up an hour earlier, so they feel more comfortable into tricking everyone into doing it by setting their clocks for them. It's the only explanation I have. It really says a lot about how much faith everyone has in the rest of society.
- salawat 6y ago...I still to this day wake up more reliably to sunlight than my alarm. I wish I could decouple from gigantic fusion ball time, but there's just something about that sudden uptick in sensible energy... The crack of dawn is too...darn...loud!
- chkaloon 6y agoMost of Alaska is already an hour "further east" than it should be during standard time. This just makes it even worse. Mid day is between 1 and 2pm for much of the state during ST, and between 2pm and 3pm during DST.
- salawat 6y agoOkay. I'm sold. Geometry AND an increase in vocabulary's ability to apply to the world. We're cross-disciplinary, and done here. Everyone can move along.
- ahmedtd 6y agoSuper nitpicky, but... sunrise and sunset are not equally distant from solar noon, because of the eccentricity of Earth's orbit around the Sun. Since the orbit is an ellipse, Kepler's law means that our orbital speed is constantly changing.