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Parler Blocked on Apple's App Store After Capitol Riot Review
- BitwiseFool 6y ago“In fact, simple searches reveal highly objectionable content, including easily identified offensive uses of derogatory terms regarding race, religion and sexual orientation, as well as Nazi symbols,” If this rule is to be applied consistently, how is the Twitter app still allowed on the App Store? I'm convinced it's because Twitter clearly has more power than Parler and Apple is doing the expedient thing from a PR perspective. Call it whataboutism if you wish, but to me it's clear TOS enforcement is selective and highly dependent on opaque behind-the-scenes decision making.
- babelfish 6y agoIt's because Twitter is (rightfully) willing to moderate this kind of content, whereas Parler explicitly refuses to. Apple doesn't want platforms that refuse to moderate Nazi content in the App Store - it is not selective enforcement, it is Parler being willingly obstinate and affirming itself as a home to the alt-right.
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- mesozoic 6y agoiphones still have web browsers right? Is Apple moderating nazi sites from showing up on Safari?
- Bud 6y agoNo. Nor is that issue relevant to this one.
- sschueller 6y agoTwitter permits pornography. Apple does not. How does that not cause a conflict? If my hypothetical instagram clone allowed pornography it would not be allowed in the app store.
- tcbawo 6y agoAre you equating consensual pornography between adults (presumably legal, free expression) with speech advocating violence?
- yurielt 6y agoAre you being dishonest with rhetorical questions ?
- kar5pt 6y agoNo, he's pointing out that pornography and hate speech are two completely different things.
- yurielt 6y agoI know but he is not actually engaging with the topic in a honest way he is presupposing a lot in the framing of his question like presupposing is consensual when in a lot of cases porn is not not only that but it dismissed the effects of porn on people and society while making us believe that the evil nazis in Parler are there and actually advocating for violence which mostly are not
- cbozeman 6y ago> Are you equating consensual pornography between adults (presumably legal, free expression) with speech advocating violence? Uh, yes... because they're both legal and they're both free expression. If I tweet out, "We should burn all this shit down some day and execute the people responsible!" in regards to the corruption of our modern institutions, that's 100% legal, and the reason is because it doesn't pass the imminent lawless action standard, because I didn't say, "We should burn all this shit down and execute the people responsible for the corruption of our institutions on July 4, 2021 at 2:19 p.m. EST!" I'm advocating for illegal action at some future undefined time in the first example, which therefore does not meet the imminence requirement. Also, there's no such thing as hate speech... there's only speech you don't like. Or more accurately, a bunch of self-appointed, self-aggrandizing, self-righteous jackasses in Silicon Valley - many of whom probably post here on HN - may think there's a such thing as hate speech, but it doesn't exist in America, because, as actor David Margulies so eloquently said in Ghostbusters 2, "Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's God-given right." Just expand "New Yorker" to "American".
- centimeter 6y agoHow is the internet allowed? I can easily find Nazi symbols after searching the web for a few seconds.
- fuj 6y agoDude are you even trying
- baggy_trough 6y agoThere's nothing consistent about it, and don't expect there to be. This is about political suppression.
- cbozeman 6y agoIts almost as if we should allow people to consume whatever they personally feel appropriate and only interfere when laws are broken...
- baggy_trough 6y agoA view which is sadly out of fashion.
- sjtindell 6y agoNo matter where you fall on this politically, Parler is clearly steeped in incompetence.
- rchaud 6y agoI have no interest in Parler, but I do wonder why they needed to have dedicated iOS developers when PWAs work fine. I use Twitter's PWA on Android. It launches in fullscreen, with no browser chrome and the UI is identical to the app, last I saw. It's just text, images and video after all. Why should that require going through an app store and installing something on your device with a bunch of permissions granted to it?
- _-david-_ 6y agoIt is easier for non technical people to use an app. That is why Twitter and Facebook both have apps.
- symlinkk 6y agoEasier how? It’s funny how the goalposts keep shifting
- _-david-_ 6y agoEasier may not have quite been the correct word. There is pretty much an equal number of steps and ease of steps with PWAs and apps. The average person has no clue PWA even exist. If you say install app x everybody can do that. If you say install the PWA most people would be at a complete loss of how to do it. Even people who know what PWAs are would quite possibly have to look up how to install it. With more and more people not having an internet connected device other than a phone they can't easily read directions on how to get the PWA while trying to do it. It is possible to include directions on the web site, but then when you open up the share menu (on iOS) you would no longer be able to read the directions to know to click add to home page. The company would likely receive phone calls and have to walk people through how to install the PWA. You would also have people thinking the company is just being cheap and not paying people to develop the app forcing the end user to do more work (since they had to read directions to install it). Don't get me wrong. I am very much in favor of people not creating apps when it is not actually needed, but the average user is going to have issues with it since they are so used to apps.
- ttoinou 6y agoHow would that work if a european company gets its app blocked on Apple Store and couldnt fire its developer at will ?
- ErikAugust 6y agoMaybe assign them to something besides iOS development?
- arcturus17 6y agoWhere are you getting that European companies cannot fire at will? In many countries they can; they may need to pay compensation but since its normally tied to the length of the employment, in the case of a startup it would be pretty low.
- AzzieElbab 6y agosomeone should make a paid version of twitter.
- mynameishere 6y agoWhy? It's already priced at exactly what it's worth.
- goldforever 6y agoI think that already exists in the form of Gab.
- morvita 6y agoTwitter is making a paid version of Twitter https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/25/22301375/twitter-super-follows-communities-paid-followers https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/25/22301375/twitter-super-fo...
- AzzieElbab 6y agoWould you agree that a large portion of potential content providers wouldn’t trust Twitter with their content?
- Bud 6y agoThe poster's rewrite of this article's actual headline is misleading. Nowhere in the article is it stated that Parler has been "permanently" blocked.
- cforrester 6y agoThe headline shouldn't have been re-written, but I think that denial will, in fact, be effectively permanent. Parler's administration is fundamentally incompatible with markets that disallow the willful propagation of hate speech.
- Bud 6y agoPerhaps it will be, and we'll find out if that's true, but meanwhile, we shouldn't be arbitrarily rewriting headlines when we post them here, especially to make them say things radically different from what the original headline, and article, said.
- dang 6y agoSubmitted title was "Parler Permanently Blocked on App Store, Fires All iOS Devs". We've changed it to be that of the article.
- threatofrain 6y agoAccording to Parler's CEO, their bank and payment providers, lawyers, mail and messages services all cancelled on them. Whoever is left holding the bag suddenly receives All of the Heat.
- motohagiography 6y agoHaving some trouble articulating what about that isn't conspiracy. Going upstream of some of people you disagree with to deprive everyone adjacent to them of economic services is not discourse, or even activism, it's the threat of collective punishment and ultimately, warfare. It is as though non-violence has come to mean using blackmail and fraud against others to do violence on your behalf. It really does seem like public discourse on policy and culture has been exhausted. Such dark times.
- mindslight 6y agoRewind a year and I'd agree out of principle, but the presumption of good faith has worn thin. At this point the red team has committed so much self harm across disparate areas, it's impossible to discern how much is earned vs unearned.
- bitwize 6y agoThat's what you get for harboring nazis.
- Huwyt_Nashi029 6y agoYou think we don't have other places to congregate, learn, discuss and grow? All of this social media banning has at least made everyone mature a bit. I see a lot less memey content and a lot more serious discussion about White advocacy these days. It's harder to find groups, sure, but it's far more productive. And you know the best part? More and more 'regular' White folk are joining us every day, motivated by vile racism from people like you. You're still an awful person. But thankyou for the acceleration.
- loopz 6y agoIt confirms where the manufactured rage came from.
- Huwyt_Nashi029 6y agoWe know where their manufactured rage against Whites comes from. That's why they call us Nazis.
- loopz 6y agoUntil one learns to disregard untrue statements, one is going to be puppeteered by them.
- Huwyt_Nashi029 6y ago"Diversity is our strength"
- cforrester 6y agoConsidering your use of euphemisms for white supremacy, such as "white advocacy," it sounds like people dismiss you as a Nazi because you are factually a Nazi. I encourage you to find the courage to advocate for your beliefs on your main account instead of registering throwaways to avoid negative consequences for your choices.
- codyswann 6y agoIf that app requires more than 1 iOS Dev, they all should have been fired anyway.